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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. Not necessary if we raise the cap, and we should raise the cap.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 03:40 PM
Oct 2015

It is not right that if you pay payroll taxes on the first $113,000 or thereabouts that you earn and then can, at your discretion, choose to save money from everything you earn over that amount in a 401(K) or IRA or other instrument while those who earn maybe $40,000 a year pay their payroll taxes and cannot save more than that.

Payroll taxes should be imposed on every cent earned on anything in the country. The rate of the tax should be reduced so that the amount placed in Social Security covers the cost of the benefits paid out and puts a little in the Social Security trust fund each year.

For many, many if not most Americans, Social Security is the only retirement savings they have. That is especially true for Americans who were in their 50s and early 60s maybe even late 40s, lost their jobs due to the 2008 crash or corporate takeovers and bankruptcies, had to spend down their savings including their retirement savings and are now completely dependent or will be completely dependent on Social Security for their entire livelihood.

Remember, we all pay taxes. We all pay sales and property taxes. When you consider how little Social Security pays most recipients in a month, you have to think that just paying one's property taxes can take a month or two or more of the benefits from Social Security.

I think the average Social Security (and it is virtually the same as the median because the benefits are capped) is around $1,337 per month. That is just a bit more than minimum wage pays per month based on a 40-hour week. (Maybe $90 more.) (2080 hours per year divided by 12 x $7.25 per hour)

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

Before Republicans reduce Social Security benefits and refuse to raise the cap, I would ask them to try living on $1,337 per month. Their lifestyles will change drastically.

I think at this time members of Congress earn $174,000 per year (if not officers in the Congress). That's about $14,5000 per month -- more than ten times the amount the average Social Security recipient is paid after a lifetime of work.

Granted, members of Congress work hard and have to maintain two households or rent something in DC, but still, they should not be willing and should not consider reducing the income of the 1/3 of seniors who rely totally on Social Security for their livings.

We have to stop the Republicans if only in order to save Social Security.

And, by the way, I do not think that Hillary Clinton is as strong a supporter of Social Security as Bernie is. That is because of the longstanding Clinton relationship with Pete Peterson arch-enemy of Social Security and with Wall Street in general. Wall Street covets the money that Americans entrust in Social Security.

Stuff happens. Things happen. Well ....anyway underpants Oct 2015 #1
Please let this asshole be the Republican nominee... Human101948 Oct 2015 #59
I am afraid he could win rbrnmw Oct 2015 #110
Fortunately his poll numbers are in the toilet. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #114
We're 13 months from the election. Anything can happen between now and then. SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #118
That's true. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #121
Seems to be the GOP slogan for this cycle n2doc Oct 2015 #81
The fix is simple except for the politics of the 1% and their toadies in Congress usaf-vet Oct 2015 #116
Certainly will be over it when we're dead. 6chars Oct 2015 #2
DU rec ornotna Oct 2015 #3
Most people won't. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #4
The party of sociopathy presents this asswipe hifiguy Oct 2015 #5
I think he's considered "moderate" on some social issues. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #6
But it's for the good of the country. sulphurdunn Oct 2015 #112
He tends to say.. Blus4u Oct 2015 #7
Didn't Kasich say his best times were at Wall Street's Lehman Bros.? He was an investment appalachiablue Oct 2015 #42
I doubt that I could add anything to what's already said... StarzGuy Oct 2015 #90
I think that's required when you're an asshole. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #58
Kasich needs to 'get over' his lust for higher political office... Because it ain't happening. AzDar Oct 2015 #8
For the good of the country -- I would have stood and said, Kasich, you and wall street first. Justice Oct 2015 #9
Fuck you Kasich! MoonRiver Oct 2015 #10
Lets ask Kasich demwing Oct 2015 #11
That wouldn't bother him as much as if you raised his tax rate. icymist Oct 2015 #16
See post #12. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #17
Not necessary if we raise the cap, and we should raise the cap. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #12
If we raise the cap, the rich will "get over it". JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #60
Exactly - in fact, it would barely be noticed. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #72
$1339/Mo? Wish I got that much. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #103
What's happening to you is unconscionable. SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #119
Night outs are only with friends who pay for me. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #134
Worked since I was 17..... llmart Oct 2015 #108
Apparently Kasich doesn't know his base: old, white people. Vinca Oct 2015 #13
Good point. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #14
that is the thing, the old white people who vote for him never realize it is them that he will screw dembotoz Oct 2015 #24
yeah, they seem to think the checks are coming from some sort of lottery MisterP Oct 2015 #38
As a retired senior, I am astounded by the folks on SS and Medicare who vote R Midnight Writer Oct 2015 #93
Great campaign gesture Plucketeer Oct 2015 #69
And refrigerator boxes central scrutinizer Oct 2015 #74
Don't forget newspapers. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #125
I can't believe that Ohio keeps voting for these idiots! icymist Oct 2015 #15
+ 1,000,000 Auggie Oct 2015 #22
Left on my birthday in October 1976. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #104
I only drove through there back in 1986. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #25
You moved because you are weak. Springslips Oct 2015 #30
I think you replied to the wrong post. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #33
Ever think of moving for better opportunities? Climate? A million other reasons. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #47
I was offered a job in San Francisco Auggie Oct 2015 #62
Easy choice: Cleveland awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #84
Weak huh? You have no idea of what things were like back then. icymist Oct 2015 #70
How ironic Liberal In Texas Oct 2015 #94
I'm surprised they let him use it. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #106
Kasich's Record True Blue American Oct 2015 #100
"For the good of the country". Hey John, how ''bout you ask millionaires to pay a higher tax rate whathehell Oct 2015 #18
+5 appalachiablue Oct 2015 #45
+ 1000 red dog 1 Oct 2015 #120
ZM90 on Kasich never being president: "You'll get over it." n/t. ZM90 Oct 2015 #19
LOL... NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #20
Thank you for your interest in the open position, Governor Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #21
Two words for Kasich- ruffburr Oct 2015 #23
What would be for the good of the country and the world is if the USA Enthusiast Oct 2015 #26
I get social security.... chillfactor Oct 2015 #27
How very republican PatSeg Oct 2015 #28
Straight talk from the Party of ME. jalan48 Oct 2015 #29
I imagine he's pissing himself realizing how inadvertently honest he was. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #31
Yes, they are becoming more bazen. jalan48 Oct 2015 #36
What a bassturd! wolfie001 Oct 2015 #32
I hope some old lady punches him in the snotbox Matariki Oct 2015 #34
Striiiiiike 3. YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!!!!! SmittynMo Oct 2015 #35
another 1 percenter head from Angry Dragon Oct 2015 #37
I think I would have been inclined to stand up and tell Kasich mnhtnbb Oct 2015 #39
hehe, I did just go to Kasich's website and here's the e-mail I sent: mnhtnbb Oct 2015 #43
LOL...good stuff. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #44
The sooner True Blue American Oct 2015 #101
Malicious skid mark n/t gregcrawford Oct 2015 #40
No Fuckhead, We won't get over it! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #41
And remember, he's the "sane, good" Republican in the race. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #82
Maybe he has a lot of stocks..... Capt.Rocky300 Oct 2015 #46
How about a pay cut, Governor? dmr Oct 2015 #48
Rec for visibility - TBF Oct 2015 #49
It's more like the rich... Oilwellian Oct 2015 #79
Yes, that is more accurate TBF Oct 2015 #80
&@$£€*%**#!!! SoapBox Oct 2015 #50
"Let them eat cake" nt ladjf Oct 2015 #51
I think it's more like Let Them Eat Kibbles. kairos12 Oct 2015 #130
Well, maybe the generic Kibbles. The real stuff is too expensive. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author ladjf Oct 2015 #132
The meaning of "Let them eat cake". ladjf Oct 2015 #133
If he's a nominee for VP or President there is the sound bite. WI_DEM Oct 2015 #52
Exactly! NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #61
completely out of touch elitist asshole Skittles Oct 2015 #53
Finally! dawnie51 Oct 2015 #54
I was blissfully unaware of this jerkoff until a few months ago. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #75
no i wont get over it allan01 Oct 2015 #55
Why doesn't Kasich suggest Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #56
I think we could probably cut 10% from the military and never notice. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #63
Republicans have no empathy. sakabatou Oct 2015 #57
KamaAina on Kasich's lousy poll numbers: "You'll get over it." KamaAina Oct 2015 #64
...and Kasich is "the sane one"? What does that leave? 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #65
I wonder if he'll get over a short ride in a tumbrel? hobbit709 Oct 2015 #66
That's our governor! bearssoapbox Oct 2015 #67
Kashits...I like that. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #71
And he is the 'sane' one.... blackspade Oct 2015 #68
Republicans used to just be stingy & fiscal. NOW they are just MEAN & GREEDY asshole pansypoo53219 Oct 2015 #73
Two words for this tin foil hat........................go home turbinetree Oct 2015 #76
More Wisdom Punx Oct 2015 #77
Everybody dies, so at that point they are over it. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #78
Some people will get under it d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #83
"What have the poor done to piss off the right wingers..." NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #107
A multi-millionaire Republican ZX86 Oct 2015 #85
"A little lower for the good of the country"???? WTF How about a little less military spending YOHABLO Oct 2015 #86
"Good of the country..."? daleanime Oct 2015 #87
To people like Kasich, the 1% is the country. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #105
I would not get over it, not at all. Paka Oct 2015 #88
Hey, Johnny, does the number "47%" ring a bell to you? lastlib Oct 2015 #89
This guy is like the lowest of the lowest SmittynMo Oct 2015 #91
No, not never ever. Not no way now how you twisted motherfucker. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #92
I'll be getting over Kashch. Liberal In Texas Oct 2015 #95
I'm sure he'd say the same thing to a bunch of bankers if their billions were cut rpannier Oct 2015 #96
where did the GOP find these worthless skid marks? Feeling the Bern Oct 2015 #97
Unfortunately there are plenty to go around. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #124
What a creep! Bernblu Oct 2015 #98
I'll never understand their lack of compassion Lunabell Oct 2015 #99
With a republican healthcare plan Turbineguy Oct 2015 #102
I wish I could get over you being Governor of Ohio rbrnmw Oct 2015 #109
Well he is telling you he plans to cut Social Security and Medicare upfront. UCmeNdc Oct 2015 #111
You're right. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #113
Good. That's what got people to vote against Romney/Ryan -- Keep talking, Kasich! whathehell Oct 2015 #127
This is a fine fix the Tea Party has put us in. Their politicians' number 1 NCjack Oct 2015 #115
Hold Harmless Clause of Social Security HockeyMom Oct 2015 #117
A guy I know is always talking about how Social Security is a scam. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #122
Kasich is another heartless Republican assclown who wants to be POTUS red dog 1 Oct 2015 #123
another re-thug hating the elderly..nothing new here SummerSnow Oct 2015 #126
and so many believe this vile man is a moderate riversedge Oct 2015 #128
He tries to present himself that way on some social issues. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #129
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