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Lizzie Poppet

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307. Most all gun owners I know (myself included)...

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:40 PM

Oct 2015

...support extending background check requirements to all sales. I actually helped with the effort to pass legislation to that effect here in Oregon.

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Please do not alienate Democratic gun owners [View all] Kang Colby Oct 2015 OP

Please do not tell me to like guns. nt valerief Oct 2015 #1

You don't have to. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #7

*Now* your side is calling for civility? villager Oct 2015 #8

Democratic gun owners seldom use Kang Colby Oct 2015 #10

Some "posters" Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #47

I would like to see the Democratic gun owners come up with some solutions NV Whino Oct 2015 #2

Ditto gratuitous Oct 2015 #4

Me too. I'm tired of all homicides and other acts of violent crime in this country. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #12

Since the vast majority of gun violence forthemiddle Oct 2015 #19

I agree. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #23

Excellent addition n/t forthemiddle Oct 2015 #81

And it's a good one. NV Whino Oct 2015 #28

I too would like to see them "innovate" rather than "piss on." villager Oct 2015 #26

Would you be willing to compromise? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #35

Not much of a compromise, eh? villager Oct 2015 #36

Both sides are going to need to give up some if it's going to be a compromise. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #37

No, this particular thing doesn't "work" on the hill. villager Oct 2015 #38

You are free to counter my proposal just.. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #40

I honestly don't think your "side" is. There are a few individual exceptions, and that's it villager Oct 2015 #226

Ahh, "reasonable first steps..." THAT is a turn-off, Villager. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 12th...? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #224

+1000 n/t. whathehell Oct 2015 #33

See post 35. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #41

I thought there were some good ideas -- and good discussions -- in this thread: Brickbat Oct 2015 #46

We have hundreds of Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #48

Sure. I'm a democratic gun owner hollowdweller Oct 2015 #87

The medical situation gets sticky, but I'm sure you're aware of that NV Whino Oct 2015 #108

Let me respond, GGJohn Oct 2015 #124

In other words, no, no, no, no, no! longship Oct 2015 #139

Ummm, wrong. GGJohn Oct 2015 #144

I just take the gun supporters at their own words. longship Oct 2015 #170

Why a ban on semi auto rifles? GGJohn Oct 2015 #174

I think we have a reasonable dialog going. longship Oct 2015 #186

Great dialog. GGJohn Oct 2015 #187

Automatic firearms are almost never used in crime. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #188

Please, let us not get into semantic arguments. longship Oct 2015 #191

My point was that automatic firearms are not used in crime. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #192

Automatic weapons are not used in crime???? longship Oct 2015 #195

I'm not arguing about the purpose of an automatic weapon TeddyR Oct 2015 #202

Do you know the diff between Automatic and Semi-Automatic? BATF does. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #227

Of course I do. longship Oct 2015 #232

Josh Sugarmann of Violence Policy Center did. Intentionally. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #234

Why do you think automatic weapons have been used in mass shootings? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #250

I did not say they were. longship Oct 2015 #252

What about this response? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #254

I will take that into consideration. longship Oct 2015 #256

Of course I don't disagree. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #257

Then, that is okay with me. longship Oct 2015 #258

I am in favor of universal background checks and would hope that can pass Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #272

You said 'compromise'. beevul Oct 2015 #149

Anything except nothing. longship Oct 2015 #160

I see a lot of noes in there NV Whino Oct 2015 #162

2 no's 5 yes and 1 maybe, GGJohn Oct 2015 #166

Why are you so fucking paranoid? I have no issue with registration.... Logical Oct 2015 #184

I'm not paranoid, I have no fears of the govt confiscating firearms, GGJohn Oct 2015 #189

'Fucking paranoid' and 'you are nuts.' Damn, try some Logical approaches. Sheesh. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #228

How about putting a 500 dollar sales tax on any gun with the ability to hold over 10 rounds?? GGJohn Oct 2015 #125

I'm sure mental health practitioners can't wait to be put in between hopping mad gun nuts and Erose999 Oct 2015 #298

Many of us have offered some suggestions that would help to reduce the incidents GGJohn Oct 2015 #112

One solution I'd like to see that doesn't get suggested much jeff47 Oct 2015 #135

That law is already on the books as part of GCA '68. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #140

Ummm, that's already Federal law. GGJohn Oct 2015 #141

Many have been posted in the Gungeon, time & again. For years. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #225

Political party has nothing to do with it! upaloopa Oct 2015 #3

No, this is a make or break issue for a lot of historically Dem voters. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #27

+1...n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #42

My state of Minnesota is mostly a blue state. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #51

I have tons of friends who used to be democrats hollowdweller Oct 2015 #90

Don't know your 2A views, but I agree. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #230

I'm not personally in the gun camp, unless you categorize anyone Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #237

I and my Florida Cracker family (before the C.War) always knew to approach Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #251

If you are a responsible gun owner countingbluecars Oct 2015 #5

So insults are ok Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #49

How is that an insult? countingbluecars Oct 2015 #59

That is not but Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #89

Please do not trot out bullshit arguments. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #6

My argument was much, much more nuanced. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #9

no it wasn't Skittles Oct 2015 #13

That's your opinion. I respect it. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #15

... Skittles Oct 2015 #18

Pals. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #20

I don't know, I've damaged my body much more with my Mt. Bike than ileus Oct 2015 #74

Statistically speaking.. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #99

Hey, that's good. You sure you ain't the smartest guy in the world? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #206

Let's see. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #196

Why have it strapped, why not just use a common sling??? ileus Oct 2015 #197

You're a smooth smoothie, ya know? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #198

Not in my neck-o-de-woods. ileus Oct 2015 #287

Apparently, you live in Somalia. nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #289

Naw those folks carry AK's. ileus Oct 2015 #290

They look like such fun, but I know I'd kill myself. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #238

Similar situation here. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #296

Lotta long tombstoned gungeoneers in that thread from three years before you existed. onehandle Oct 2015 #11

Who knows? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #14

"Guns for self defense" Sparkly Oct 2015 #16

Ok.. trumad Oct 2015 #17

Sure. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #21

It will be the same argument... trumad Oct 2015 #24

At least that's a start towards civility. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #45

Oh I see.. trumad Oct 2015 #79

I'm a Democratic gun owner, and I'm neither alienated, nor second-class. Paladin Oct 2015 #22

I'm a proud gun rights activist. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #25

Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #75

You are wasting your time. The cultural wars entertain them too much. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #29

Im not alienated in the least bit, maybe SOME gun owners don't freak out and get Rex Oct 2015 #30

The only time I get reactionary is when Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #44

I would I guess if guns were a big issue for me, but they are not. Rex Oct 2015 #50

I'm not certain what hunting has to do with anything. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #55

Hunters use guns, the topic has been all over DU these past few days. Rex Oct 2015 #61

The 2A does not mention hunting. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #66

Why would it need to? Rex Oct 2015 #80

It doesn't need to. That's the point. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #92

Because of cause and effect. Rex Oct 2015 #93

You're right, bowhunting is far more challenging. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #107

So if the 2A was taken away, hunters would just sit in their deer blinds and Rex Oct 2015 #110

I was thinking the same about you. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #113

I knew you did not know anything about this subject. Rex Oct 2015 #115

Now you have me intrigued. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #118

You seem to not know any actual hunters if you did you would know what I am talking about Rex Oct 2015 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #133

Is Jim Zumbo a real hunter? N/T beevul Oct 2015 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author Kang Colby Oct 2015 #167

Hunt with an Assault Rifle? GGJohn Oct 2015 #128

Um that was my point...why is it so hard for a certain few to get that? Rex Oct 2015 #132

AR 15s & AR 10s, are commonly used in hog hunts in TX and other places, but not... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #233

That's a perfectly reasonable response to shit like this: Nevernose Oct 2015 #117

I cannot believe you called those people shit Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #119

Seriously? Nevernose Oct 2015 #121

My reference was to the idea that banning guns Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #126

Moral blackmail.. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #130

And a lack of easy access to handguns/assault rifles Nevernose Oct 2015 #134

His mother owned those guns. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #163

There is no easy access to assault rifles, GGJohn Oct 2015 #168

How on earth do you think it can be managed to make all parents responsible? kcr Oct 2015 #210

We do regulate firearms. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #253

I've stated that I don't think they're regulated enough. kcr Oct 2015 #261

Good, at least we are building some common ground. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #264

In case you haven't noticed, you can call pro-2A posters in DU most anything you want... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #235

Question Kang Colby Oct 2015 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #285

The wording seemed to reference the kids as "shit.". That was mu immediate take... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #288

Oh I hear ya, I agree. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #293

I don't understand that kcr Oct 2015 #213

Exactly how are you going to ban guns? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #215

I don't know. I'm not going to ban guns. Didn't you read my post? n/t kcr Oct 2015 #216

In your post you asked me what would be so Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #217

Yes. And? kcr Oct 2015 #218

Speculation about banning guns, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #219

But I'm not speculating, either. I've stated outright that I don't propose banning guns. kcr Oct 2015 #221

When someone writes about banning guns (and you did), Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #222

I wrote about it in that I was questioning why you didn't understand kcr Oct 2015 #223

This is getting tiresome. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #249

Oh well. It's not my problem if you're reading things that aren't there. kcr Oct 2015 #259

I understand why someone would want to ban guns. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #273

It would depend on the type and how far reaching kcr Oct 2015 #274

Other countries have managed to take 300 million guns from citizens? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #277

I am not afraid of guns. Democrats are gun owners NYCButterfinger Oct 2015 #255

How is it that other laws manage to work? kcr Oct 2015 #260

Not that junk again. It's not nearly as convincing as "I need a bunch of gunz to strap on Hoyt Oct 2015 #31

Why do you almost always mention Chuck E Cheese in your anti gun posts? GGJohn Oct 2015 #131

Because I'm responding to gun fanciers who think like you. Hoyt Oct 2015 #142

Still can't get a coherent answer from you. GGJohn Oct 2015 #146

I can't get a coherent thought from you when it comes to gunz. Hoyt Oct 2015 #150

I had to try, GGJohn Oct 2015 #152

What's missing from this rant? procon Oct 2015 #32

20,000 gun laws? NRA talking point, there are fewer than 4,000 actuql gun laws. flamin lib Oct 2015 #34

Hey Flamin' Kang Colby Oct 2015 #39

All included is less than 4,000. nt flamin lib Oct 2015 #52

I believe you. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #58

I intend to post my opinions freely here. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #43

No one is voting for Trump. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #53

Not in the mood to be "respectful" immediately following a massacre. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #62

Yeah, because contentious discussions have surely been effective on this issue. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #70

Did I ever even remotely suggest Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #109

I believe that civil discourse can change attitudes and have a profound effect regardless of the Kang Colby Oct 2015 #122

If their precious guns are more important to them than being Democrats mwrguy Oct 2015 #54

Roughly a third of the Democratic party supports gun rights. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #73

I think it's more than that. 33%+ Democrats actually OWN guns (per Gallup). Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #236

Ever read the party platform? whatthehey Oct 2015 #200

You are not going to win elections without their support. We can have a small, pure Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #241

Too late. The nation has shifted decisively for gun rights. Even African-Americans LittleBlue Oct 2015 #56

So we have to stop advocating for gun control because some gun owners are going hrmjustin Oct 2015 #57

That's not the point. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #60

It is how people use guns to murder other people that is the issue. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #65

I agree, people tend to be the overall problem. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #136

Yes. That is it really. Rex Oct 2015 #63

Never understood why people like guns. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #67

I hate it when someone shows up and pretends to represent me. Rex Oct 2015 #138

Oh fer fuck sake. This is NOT about Democratic gun owners it is about madinmaryland Oct 2015 #64

I'm sure with a statement like that... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #68

My friend. We have been playing kum by yah for the last 40 years to the GIC... madinmaryland Oct 2015 #76

I respectfully disagree. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #85

Pardon me for asking, but were you a member of DU under a different screen name? madinmaryland Oct 2015 #102

Nope. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #145

So what's your proposal? TeddyR Oct 2015 #91

LOL, you're something else Glitterati Oct 2015 #78

oh and we have to be NICE Skittles Oct 2015 #84

LOL, I know Glitterati Oct 2015 #86

What's wrong with being kind and considerate? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #97

NO THANKS Skittles Oct 2015 #106

"you CANNOT debate people who REFUSE TO ADMIT THERE IS A PROBLEM" beevul Oct 2015 #284

So all the gun owners in the US TeddyR Oct 2015 #95

Results... Major Nikon Oct 2015 #111

As I said in this thread, you can say pretty much ANYTHING you want re pro-2A DUers... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #239

LOL, you're something else GGJohn Oct 2015 #137

OMG Skittles Oct 2015 #83

Gun Owners and "Controllers" can't even agree on basic facts maxsolomon Oct 2015 #69

I value your opinion, maxsolomon. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #77

if you disagree with everything i wrote, then what "value" do you place on it? maxsolomon Oct 2015 #214

Maybe because you aren't the only one in DU. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #243

I see gun owners not ceding an inch on any aspect of this issue maxsolomon Oct 2015 #291

Your "despair" and being "at wits end" may be of less importance than... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #292

Our "societal problem" is that we have too many semi-automatic pistols in circulation maxsolomon Oct 2015 #295

The Naval Yard shooter used a shotgun. Pump-action. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #306

I don't need a lesson in semi-auto versus pump action. maxsolomon Oct 2015 #308

"Niggling concerns" and "lessons" are what got us the comical "assault weapons ban." Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #309

It was just my opinion. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #300

I've got people in my own family who use guns in entirely utilitarian ways. hunter Oct 2015 #71

Or else what? Y'all gonna switch teams?? nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #72

God I hope he does. trumad Oct 2015 #82

I hope that you were able to learn something. N/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #96

No, I won't TeddyR Oct 2015 #98

Unless you are Hillary, in which case - please proceed! peacebird Oct 2015 #88

Here's the problem hollowdweller Oct 2015 #94

People on the left feel lancer78 Oct 2015 #129

I own a gun Texasgal Oct 2015 #100

Meh. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #101

Bernie is the bridge . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #103

These fucking gunners get everything they want, always alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #104

Please stop pretending to represent a group of people on DU that you do not. Rex Oct 2015 #105

I'm not representing anyone Rex... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #151

Then change your title please, because that is what you are implying. Rex Oct 2015 #153

That title is simply advice. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #154

Yes and I am too and you do not speak for me. Rex Oct 2015 #156

Sure thing. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #164

I figured you didn't have any good intentions with your thread. Rex Oct 2015 #165

Oh, come on. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #169

Not my problem if you try to pretend to be polite and show you are not sincere at all. Rex Oct 2015 #171

My apologies, Rex. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #176

NP, same here I apologize for getting gruff. Rex Oct 2015 #181

Hey, no problem. 100% my fault. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #185

Ummm, you said you wanted civility, GGJohn Oct 2015 #172

Hunters are considered bad people tied to the NRA and the GOP. Rex Oct 2015 #173

Hunt with an M-249? GGJohn Oct 2015 #178

I think I can clear some of this up with post #177. Rex Oct 2015 #180

Agreed. GGJohn Oct 2015 #182

Yes we can. Rex Oct 2015 #183

Thanks for the feedback....GGJohn Kang Colby Oct 2015 #175

No problem. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #179

Shout it to the rooftops! Lint Head Oct 2015 #114

+1 davidpdx Oct 2015 #193

Every "gun enthusiast" that I know in real life, is a rabid republican. MH1 Oct 2015 #116

Ughh, that thread you linked makes me want to vomit Bradical79 Oct 2015 #123

Your concern is noted. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #127

I will say the same about Demcratic catholics LukeFL Oct 2015 #143

Thanks for sharing. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #147

The f the Pope stuff was hard to take. rbrnmw Oct 2015 #207

You act like exercising your first amendment rights is alienating someone who believes in it MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #148

Go to a gun show. Tell me those people are even 20% liberal. They are right wing nuts. nt Logical Oct 2015 #155

Shhhh....we are not supposed to discuss any part of reality here. Rex Oct 2015 #157

I won guns and shoot at a range at time. But the people there are scary. Love guns too much. nt Logical Oct 2015 #158

Point being their unhealthy love for guns. Rex Oct 2015 #159

+1000 nt Logical Oct 2015 #161

Since so many do not know what a hunter is and a gun nut is, let me show you the difference. Rex Oct 2015 #177

No one is trying to alienate responsible gun owners. Responsible gun owners may be a collector or akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #190

I agree that loopholes need to be closed TeddyR Oct 2015 #204

I lulz'd KG Oct 2015 #194

I won't as long as you consider treestar Oct 2015 #199

My dad had a gun in the closet and he never knew how often I thought about using it to blow my CBGLuthier Oct 2015 #201

I see TeddyR Oct 2015 #205

"Fuck Democratic gun owners?" branford Oct 2015 #231

Thank you for the tone argument. Iggo Oct 2015 #203

Exactly. I think we have all learned something. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #211

Why? will they shoot me? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #208

Not going to adopt a conservative viewpoint. Sorry. kcr Oct 2015 #209

Gun owners should stop alienating those who want to live in a free and peaceful society frizzled Oct 2015 #212

The party apparatus currently is trying to use the gun issue against Sanders mmonk Oct 2015 #220

If you are one of the gun nuts rockfordfile Oct 2015 #229

So first TeddyR Oct 2015 #244

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #248

You own a gun. Many people here think you're not a democrat Taitertots Oct 2015 #245

That's not true rockfordfile Oct 2015 #247

They're just things. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #240

Prohibitionist don't care if it causes conservatives to take power AGAIN. Taitertots Oct 2015 #242

Tough talk & changing reality is EZ on the innertubes... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #246

Any damn idiot, racist hater, paranoid schizophrenic, right wing nazi, KKK cross burner workinclasszero Oct 2015 #262

That's not constructive discussion in my opinion. Eom. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #263

Oh I'm sure workinclasszero Oct 2015 #266

Really? That kind of moral blackmail Kang Colby Oct 2015 #269

I haven't seen anyone on DU TeddyR Oct 2015 #280

"Any damn idiot, racist hater, paranoid schizophrenic, right wing nazi, KKK cross burner..." Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #265

Really? So go to Oregon right now. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #267

I see we've never talked before... Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #268

So what's your proposed solution? TeddyR Oct 2015 #278

Incrementalism Kang Colby Oct 2015 #271

This is how your side sounds crazy kcr Oct 2015 #275

Not in my state and several others. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #279

How are they not alienated or even offended by mass murders? Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #276

You do not represent this gun owner. U4ikLefty Oct 2015 #281

That's cool. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #282

They can't alienate me, I was a democrat before most of the 2A haters were born. ileus Oct 2015 #286

But surely they try... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #294

Your concern is noted there, guy. Erose999 Oct 2015 #297

does closing loopholes like gun show sales without backgrnd checks alienate you? wordpix Oct 2015 #299

BINGO! B Calm Oct 2015 #302

Most all gun owners I know (myself included)... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #307

Makes sense to me, but I'm afraid the ship has already sailed. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #301

While I agree with you. I don't discuss this topic with the anti-gun crowd anymore. GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #303

Understood and I usually do the same. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #305

If someone thinks gun rights are more important than everything else Dems strand for, then... LonePirate Oct 2015 #304