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63. Hard to compare the PNAC verison of America against Norway or Australia

Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:33 PM

Oct 2015

I wonder how key of a point it is that in the USA we are accustomed to having our government blow the crap out of anyone stupid enough to have their nation on top of our oil.

Lots of times when the discussion compares USA guns and deaths to other countries, I always come back to thinking "well how many of those nations have over 100 bases around the world, have 24 hour killer drones over some regions, and have invaded nations virtually every couple of years during my adult life", etc.

In fairness to the PNAC, we've been blowing up other countries long before Cheney and his chickenhawk crew came into power.

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Most gun owners support restrictions. Why aren�t their voices heard? [View all] sarisataka Oct 2015 OP

I too would like see some comments Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #1

Because they are all talk. trumad Oct 2015 #2

Incorrect sarisataka Oct 2015 #8

I own guns. I want tighter restrictions. Glassunion Oct 2015 #12

Nailed it! If they REALLY wanted their voices heard they would have formed their own group YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #46

Sometimes they are. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #3

+1 Glassunion Oct 2015 #13

Correct. I would add MSM is the ONLY viable element in gun-control politics... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #15

Nobody wants to work with them. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #4

^^^^This^^^^ GGJohn Oct 2015 #5

BULLSHIT! I am a firearm owner and CC license holder and never are offended by those terms...... Logical Oct 2015 #26

Are there other groups sarisataka Oct 2015 #34

Yes, climate change deniers, CT nuts, secessionists, etc. nt Logical Oct 2015 #42

I'm a gun owner and I'm not offended by such names. Kaleva Oct 2015 #33

I'm not either, I have a very thick skin. GGJohn Oct 2015 #37

True, but if you mention "Hoplophobia" your post gets removed! pocoloco Oct 2015 #54

Yep: "all talk" here, too. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #7

I sympathize. And there IS NO FALSE EQUIVALENCY in terms of this verbage. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #16

They are sincere, but they are not passionate about this one issue. Hortensis Oct 2015 #6

I believe Mother Jones had a recent sobering account on the depth of... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #18

What was MJ's assessment of them, Eleanors38? Hortensis Oct 2015 #19

As I recall, the conclusion was how can any gun control be achieved... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #21

The extremists on both sides of the issue dominate the debate hack89 Oct 2015 #9

Many don't want to be associated with the topic ecstatic Oct 2015 #10

This is a good point, though overdrawn. Gun-owners hold weapons primarily for SD... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #22

Most Christians aren't foaming fundy nutcases and they're not heard Warpy Oct 2015 #11

Gun owner here. Glassunion Oct 2015 #14

Because the NRA represents gun manufacturers, not gun owners. jeff47 Oct 2015 #17

It is repeated bullshit like that that keeps me not trusting the grabbers/banners. oneshooter Oct 2015 #39

It's cute when people don't bother to look at the books of the groups they support. jeff47 Oct 2015 #41

Those are voluntary donations from theit customers. oneshooter Oct 2015 #52

Nope, they aren't. The NRA's PACs are enormous jeff47 Oct 2015 #53

They aren't even in the top 20 when it comes to PACs. hack89 Oct 2015 #67

Yet they are bigger than money spent on "NRA member" activities. jeff47 Oct 2015 #68

Nailed it underpants Oct 2015 #57

Speak up. Iggo Oct 2015 #20

It is not a speaking problem sarisataka Oct 2015 #31

Because the NRA has the $$ MiniMe Oct 2015 #23

And they have their gun lobby in Congress. Rex Oct 2015 #25

And Bloomberg Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #27

LOL seriously? nt laundry_queen Oct 2015 #43

Very Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #48

And the gun manufacturers fund nothing? laundry_queen Oct 2015 #50

The manufacturers tend to Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #51

Part of it might be that some of us do not care much about the issue as far Rex Oct 2015 #24

I'm not sure what you mean. Which half is the other half? mmonk Oct 2015 #28

You would be in the gun owner group sarisataka Oct 2015 #30

Because gun controllers tend to be absolutists. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #29

That's a logical error Buzz cook Oct 2015 #35

Incorrect. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #40

Do you have info on the specific poll that arrived at that 49% figure? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #55

Money and the media Buzz cook Oct 2015 #32

because they are gun owners, not gun humpers Skittles Oct 2015 #36

Middle of the road folks rarely move anything... TipTok Oct 2015 #38

I'm a moderate former-gun owner Victor_c3 Oct 2015 #44

Don Kates raised this issue a looooooong time ago. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #45

I'm right here being ignored like most other gun owners on here Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #47

They're not talking. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #49

They are. The NRA and the 'hate guns with every fiber of their beings' crowd drown them out friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #60

I think this is very important. My family own guns. If the jwirr Oct 2015 #56

Great stuff and real discussions beardown Oct 2015 #58

Because to many Americans, guns are a partisan issue YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #59

Personally, I hate guns. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #61

I supported gun control for over four decades.... Rafale Oct 2015 #62

Hard to compare the PNAC verison of America against Norway or Australia beardown Oct 2015 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Rafale Oct 2015 #65

I have been a gun rights advocate for 20 years virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #64

Because the other group is very loud and buys politicians patsimp Oct 2015 #66