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Warren DeMontague

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24. I tend to disagree. If not Columbus it would have been someone else, not long after.

Reply to Fumesucker (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:12 AM

Oct 2015

Maybe if the Spanish hadn't been Early adopters, so to speak, the names of a lot of towns in California would be different.

But the inquisition was dying, the renaissance was blooming, the age of enlightenment was coming. Europeans wouldn't have stayed in Europe forever.

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