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villager

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Thu Oct 15, 2015, 01:04 PM Oct 2015

CNN: This is how the NRA loses [View all]

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...after 50 years of hostility, the United States would normalize relations with Cuba. It was a stunning defeat for a group that once seemed invincible.

"You couldn't forecast it because you didn't know it was going to happen, but it happens much more than people think," Bishin says of powerful political groups that suffer sudden downfalls.

Could the National Rifle Association ever face a similar fate? Most Americans probably don't think so. When a gunman murdered nine people at a community college in Oregon earlier this month, the President seemed to express what many Americans were thinking when he said, "Somehow this has become routine. ... We have become numb to this."

There's a pervasive belief that any attempt to tighten gun laws would be futile because too many politicians are afraid to defy the NRA. But there are at least four examples from American history -- including two snatched from recent headlines -- where ordinary people and unforeseen events defeated a seemingly invincible lobbying group, and hardly anyone saw it coming.

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The ASL could control politicians, but not the unintended consequences of Prohibition, which spawned organized crime and the rise of gangsters such as Al Capone. Fed-up Americans opened up "speakeasies" across the country. Pharmacists stocked "medicinal liquor" and sold Old Grand-Dad and Johnnie Walker by prescription, while many Americans brewed alcohol in their homes. Even President Warren G. Harding was rumored to keep bootleg liquor in the White House.

What really hurt the ASL, though, was the onset of the Great Depression.

"The Depression came on and there was no more tax revenue for the federal government," Okrent says. "People were saying, 'Where are we going to get the money to keep the lights on?' The primary tax revenue before Prohibition was alcohol."

Prohibition ended in 1933 with the ratification of the 21st Amendment. And so did the ASL.

"By the middle 1930s, it was a toothless organization," Okrent says.

Wheeler died of exhaustion at age 58 in 1927. When Prohibition was passed, people predicted he would be remembered as one of the most important people in America's history. Yet who remembers Wheeler or the ASL today?

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/15/politics/defy-gun-lobby/index.html

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CNN: This is how the NRA loses [View all] villager Oct 2015 OP
everyone sees that the sky doesn't fall when you change maxsolomon Oct 2015 #1
Unintended comedy alert. The American public came to its senses, seeing you couldn't ban something LittleBlue Oct 2015 #2
At least the "unintended comedy alert" part of your reply was correct. villager Oct 2015 #3
You are free to explain how 'gun Prohibition' would work... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #5
I realize that misdirection and conflation are on your faxed sheet of talking points villager Oct 2015 #7
People are neither physically dependent on guns, nor can they manufacture them in a bathtub frizzled Oct 2015 #19
Guns can be homemade fairly easily, as any Australian bikie or Afghan peasant can tell you friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #23
Ah yes, we forgot about those "homemade mass killings" that have happened in Australia villager Oct 2015 #25
What do you propose to do about the 300 million extant guns in the US? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #29
IDK, let the owners make their own bullets? maxsolomon Oct 2015 #32
It seems irrational to purposefully conflate regulation with banning and prohibition. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #44
It was legal to make up to 200 gallons a year of your own wine during Prohibition friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #64
Having to DIY a zip gun is an acceptable barrier to entry for crime and will stop mass shootings frizzled Oct 2015 #30
If the zip gun does not blow up in the user's face. longship Oct 2015 #58
Damn, LittleBlue, you know how to spoil a party. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #12
So to be clear, E38 -- you support the NRA, and think they should continue to thrive? villager Oct 2015 #15
Glad to see that you're standing watch for Communi... err, NRA sympathizers here friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #24
Since "NRA Sympathizer" means you, and since there's no moral difference between them villager Oct 2015 #26
"Since "NRA Sympathizer" means you..." A lie- and you are not the first to promulgate it friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #34
Or possibly preventing the NRA from denying the CDC relevant health related studies again LanternWaste Oct 2015 #46
Really? The CDC did one a couple of years ago. Here's an excerpt: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #67
I also quit beating my dog when I discovered I didn't have one. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #40
Around the same time you quit answering direct questions on DU? villager Oct 2015 #41
I don't respond to vacuous inquisitions ("are you now, or have you ever been...") Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #49
No, what you're doing is dodging the fact you support the NRA. villager Oct 2015 #50
Actually, you have told a lie. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #51
Bye bye, E38 villager Oct 2015 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #65
No loss to him. It's also not the first time for that particular untruth of yours: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #66
Defeating the NRA doesn't mean banning guns though. Bucky Oct 2015 #37
Rifles of any kind aren't the problem, per the FBI: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #38
Many here are taught to conflate the two villager Oct 2015 #42
There is no "proliferation" of "assault rifles, machine guns." These weapons are strictly regulated Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #47
How does someone seriously argue fewer restrictions pave the road to more restrictions? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #4
pretty soon the gun group guys will ride in to save the day in this thread... CTyankee Oct 2015 #6
What's really appalling -- and unsurprising -- is that they are here *defending the NRA* villager Oct 2015 #8
I think any DUer who supports the NRA should be banned. Right wing nuts! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #10
I agree. We don't allow racists to post here. Why do we allow NRA defenders? villager Oct 2015 #14
True! Or RNC members or KKK members. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #16
Exactly. And there is zero daylight between NRA defending, and anything else on that list villager Oct 2015 #17
When ted nugent is on your board you know you are not legit! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #18
A couple NRA defenders here claim to "Feel the Bern," but really they "Feel the Nuge" villager Oct 2015 #20
Yeah, I never used Ignore before but I found it enormously helpful. I was delighted with CTyankee Oct 2015 #31
It's a whole new DU when you notch out the "NRA Message board" aspects! villager Oct 2015 #43
Oooooooh.......the big bad NRA again. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #9
You support the NRA? Really? Nt Logical Oct 2015 #11
How does my statement IN ANY WAY demonstrate support for the NRA? pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #21
Don't you know that chanting "NRA!" is a sovereign remedy? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #27
True enough, but... beevul Oct 2015 #35
"Are you now, or have you ever been...?" Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #13
They are a right wing bunch of lying nuts! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #22
The people asking the question I posted? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #28
Really, that is funny to you? Calling DU member right wing nuts? nt Logical Oct 2015 #33
Eleanors38 isn't the one that's been claiming that other DU members are NRA sympathizers friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #36
They are the Poo Fighters! Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #48
Not sure to whom you referred. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #39
Usually Liberty wins out. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #45
I am a proud NRA Democrat. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #53
I am not proud of you being an NRA Democrat. villager Oct 2015 #54
Please show me where the NRA has used racial rhetoric? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #55
WP: "Most gun owners don’t belong to the NRA — and they don’t agree with it either" villager Oct 2015 #56
I don't really care. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #59
By definition, you "don't care!" "You're the NRA!" villager Oct 2015 #60
That's right. I don't care for gun control. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #62
And I don't care to have NRA errand-runners off the "ignore list!" villager Oct 2015 #63
The results are in (and the alerter just barely dodged a time-out): Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #57
What were they expecting? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #61
I'm guessing juror #3 needs to bone up on the Democratic Party platform... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #68
My precise thought! Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #69
Exactly. Plus I tend to resist "If you believe ____, you're not one of us!" kind of thinking. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #70
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