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Travis_0004

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38. Its even worse than that

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:34 PM

Oct 2015

The law banning handgun permits was passed in 2007.

In 2008, suicide rates went up in ALL OF THE US AND EUROPE.

Since I know nothing about causation and correlation, I can only assume that repealing one gun law in one state led to an increase of suicides in half the globe.

There was also a global financial meltdown, but lets ignore that, since slate says it was caused by one state repealing one law. I can then assume that if we re-pass the law suicides will go back down in half the globe. Except for Japan, they manage suicide just fine without access to guns.

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Gun Suicides Plummet in State After New Licensing Law, Skyrocket After Law Repealed in Other State [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 OP

This is common sense, but nice to see it in writing. randys1 Oct 2015 #1

it's always nice when data demonstrates what we have always been arguing for La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #2

That article fails to mention it has nothing to do with the recent law CT passed for assault weapons iamthe99 Oct 2015 #8

the article was talking about the 1995 data and not the current assault weapons law La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #13

That law is over 25 years old iamthe99 Oct 2015 #3

yes, and? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #4

Read the article they are trying to use the recent 2013 assault weapons ban passed in CT iamthe99 Oct 2015 #10

no, they are not. here is the relevant paragraph of what the authors of the study did La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #12

Sorry I'm an idiot iamthe99 Oct 2015 #16

Was that all suicides rates or gun? Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #59

Dishonest framing. Suicide is the highest it's been since 1991 and is rising rapidly. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #5

So you support gun-assisted suicide... Human101948 Oct 2015 #41

Of course I do. I should have that right, and so should everyone. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #42

Most people who jump off bridges have a moment as they plummet down regretting their decision... Human101948 Oct 2015 #43

And? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #44

You believe that Jews are somehow different than people in this country? Human101948 Oct 2015 #46

Of course they are. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #47

Okay, so how are they different that this doesn't apply? Human101948 Oct 2015 #53

Expect the denialists to insist there is *no connection...* villager Oct 2015 #6

You forgot the "5, 4, 3, 2, 1..." Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #11

I take it you're not the sort that regards it as a good thing when suicides choose another method... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #35

"All Suicides Matter." Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #56

Not to certain posters here... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #60

But you remembered! villager Oct 2015 #45

Reminds me of Cape Canaveral. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #57

Are gun suicides more dead where you live? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #32

Did the overall suicide rate change? MosheFeingold Oct 2015 #7

Yes; Suicides increased and are at the highest rate in over 25 years. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #9

Some states lower than national average: GA, TX, LA (food's too good to die young!) Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #14

True, and the state medical examiner confirms it: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #33

The magazine article did get one thing wrong though. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #37

Which magazine article? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #39

The article in post #5 NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #40

The middle aged lady shot the burglar in both legs, not the foot. pintobean Oct 2015 #15

In CT a private gun owner could sell a handgun to someone iamthe99 Oct 2015 #17

No permit required to own, only to buy. nt NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #19

now it is iamthe99 Oct 2015 #20

Nothing changed on handguns after Sandy Hook. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #21

I think you might be wrong on this iamthe99 Oct 2015 #22

Here. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #23

There are two types of permits. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #25

Yup, but I think you're posting at the wrong fella. I just give links for education purposes. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #26

I just wanted to provide clarity for anyone else reading. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #27

Well it's not that they're draconian. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #28

I can understand the issue with the cost. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #29

See, there's something we can agree on. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #31

I live in Connecticut and own guns. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #24

The worst part about CT permits Kang Colby Oct 2015 #34

But did suicides plummet? whatthehey Oct 2015 #18

The number of suicides increased per the state medical examiner: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #30

So - negative lives saved by draconian gun control laws yet again? whatthehey Oct 2015 #49

More people overall killed themselves, just not with guns. This is a good thing? n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #36

no, given the direction that CT suicide rates were going they sharply declined La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #51

Only suicides by gun decreased- overall, suicides by all methods increased friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #52

at a lower rate than the projected rate. had these laws not been implemented the rate of suicide in La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #55

Try another excuse- no "projected rate" was mentioned in the article. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #61

Its even worse than that Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #38

I find it shocking that anyone would buy into this easily refutable "study" Kang Colby Oct 2015 #48

Suicide is the real open and shut case to me Recursion Oct 2015 #50

How could this be so, given that suicide by other means more than 'took up the slack'? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #62

I see the gun apologists are out in force. alarimer Oct 2015 #54

Of course they are. The same personality matrix that clings to guns also demands the smothering... villager Oct 2015 #58