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53. This is so cynical and horrible.

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Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:43 PM

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A Massive National Security Leak Just Blew the Lid Off Obama's Drone War [View all] Catherina Oct 2015 OP

The Obama Administration's normalization of the use of assassination to circumvent due process Maedhros Oct 2015 #1

90%+ of what people were outraged about hifiguy Oct 2015 #2

+1 LittleBlue Oct 2015 #3

But when Pepsi does it is fine! It's only when Coke does it that it becomes bad! nt mhatrw Oct 2015 #4

Especially if Pepsi manipulates the numbers so people can cheer the killing Catherina Oct 2015 #9

International law is for losers malaise Oct 2015 #112

In my lifetime it's become a pathetic country in so many ways. Not all, but a lot especially RKP5637 Oct 2015 #130

It has become very much like the late Roman Empire- hifiguy Oct 2015 #160

Stretched so thin, propping up the empire, while the homeland slowly rots. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #166

What a sad statement. Catherina Oct 2015 #15

+1 leftstreet Oct 2015 #5

"a video game, drained of all humanity" How *cool* (barf) Catherina Oct 2015 #6

In 5-month period of a US op in Afghanistan, nearly 90% of people killed were not the targets Catherina Oct 2015 #7

You think Obama has any control over the MIC? Downwinder Oct 2015 #12

Complete, absolutely not. hifiguy Oct 2015 #17

And we don't give a shit either. zeemike Oct 2015 #24

And it doesn't even matter that the people we are killing are jwirr Oct 2015 #151

I don't think anybody who was not totally subservient Downwinder Oct 2015 #43

No one who appears to even have a chance to win the Presidency salib Oct 2015 #125

I'd peg it at FDR's death in 1944. hedda_foil Oct 2015 #146

Baseball cards for Obama to decide who lives or dies Catherina Oct 2015 #22

This is so cynical and horrible. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #53

This is so cynical Caretha Oct 2015 #65

It's about MONEY. hifiguy Oct 2015 #69

I know hifiguy Caretha Oct 2015 #77

It's about control. Feed people's fear in the west. Control populations with terror Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #85

I agree. And power, of course, which requires control. hedda_foil Oct 2015 #149

And continue to complain about Russia if they do anything. jwirr Oct 2015 #152

It's good to be the king. salib Oct 2015 #126

If the President ordered the drone strikes to stop, then they would stop philosslayer Oct 2015 #52

Is Gitmo closed? Downwinder Oct 2015 #55

The CIC doesn't have the authority to close military facilities philosslayer Oct 2015 #56

Fair enough. The CIC does have authority over Downwinder Oct 2015 #75

Transferring the detention center is unlikely to end any of problems salib Oct 2015 #128

Yes Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #84

+1 merrily Oct 2015 #20

Obama did not just "continue" the Drone Assassination program. bvar22 Oct 2015 #155

+ a bazillion marym625 Oct 2015 #168

the drone war is evil, pure and simple Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #173

And Obama seemed so promising with the 'Hope and Change" slogan. jalan48 Oct 2015 #8

Thankfully we have whistleblowers of conscience who take the *Change* part seriously Catherina Oct 2015 #10

You are right-thanks for sharing. jalan48 Oct 2015 #14

Every Democratic president, beginning with LBJ hifiguy Oct 2015 #18

Yep-which makes a lot of this election stuff 'pretend'. jalan48 Oct 2015 #21

The PTB are firmly against him Catherina Oct 2015 #25

Actually, I was greatly disappointed during... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #136

I think there would be a coup d'etat if a President went against the military at this point. jalan48 Oct 2015 #138

There WAS a coup d'etat when a President hifiguy Oct 2015 #169

I very much doubt that. By now, someone who had left office would have made a deathbed confession merrily Oct 2015 #23

There is a Permanent Government hifiguy Oct 2015 #28

That does not really address my post. merrily Oct 2015 #29

If Jimmy Carter doesn't, no one will. hifiguy Oct 2015 #35

Yeah, I'm still thinking it would have happened by now. It's been over 50 years. merrily Oct 2015 #59

The really professional spooks take their secrets to their graves. hifiguy Oct 2015 #63

Not 50 years worth. By now, someone would have had a change of heart, been remorseful, been ticked merrily Oct 2015 #110

Plus each of those presidents had families. jwirr Oct 2015 #153

American Deep State AngryAmish Oct 2015 #116

Yup. hifiguy Oct 2015 #159

I don't think so. Even the most idealistic person becoming president over time will LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #143

It didn't have to be a President, though. merrily Oct 2015 #145

True LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #147

A number of people would have had to be involved at all times. Five, ten, fifteen--some number. merrily Oct 2015 #174

Keeping this information totally secret would be impossible. erronis Oct 2015 #148

BS. Expansion of Vietnam Nam was Johnson's policy still_one Oct 2015 #26

Johnson was leaned on very heavily to create a large-scale war in Vietnam. hifiguy Oct 2015 #31

We are going to disagree. No one pushed LBJ around still_one Oct 2015 #48

Except the Vietnam morass did stop the Great Society truebluegreen Oct 2015 #76

Go back to Truman, who fought the "Korean Police Action" and began funding Vietnam after the french merrily Oct 2015 #34

It seems to be generally accepted consensus that JFK hifiguy Oct 2015 #37

Jackie thought "Texas businessmen" had him killed. merrily Oct 2015 #58

The most convincing evidence to me that the CIA hifiguy Oct 2015 #61

JFK approved the Assassination of Diem, and that meant we were going into Vietnam big time. happyslug Oct 2015 #87

The French didn't leave Vietnam until they lost the Battle of Dien Bien Phu Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #118

Thank you! Do you know why Truman started funding then? To keep the French fighting? merrily Oct 2015 #142

Who lost China? happyslug Oct 2015 #176

Thanks. Sending troops to Korea would be the Korean Police Action referred to in my Reply 34. merrily Oct 2015 #177

From 1946 onward the US paid for the French fight in Vietnam. happyslug Oct 2015 #178

Thanks! I didn't mean to put you to all that trouble, but I do appreciate it. merrily Oct 2015 #179

PS. Ted Kennedy was in that Korean mess, something we rarely heard about, if at all. merrily Oct 2015 #180

But JFK was already in Congress when the Korean war began and voted for it. happyslug Oct 2015 #182

Yes, JFK voted for it and his brother enlisted. merrily Oct 2015 #183

a masterstroke of cynicism grasswire Oct 2015 #44

I am not one bit more cynical hifiguy Oct 2015 #49

I've never seen it so well put. haikugal Oct 2015 #93

The Beltway assimilated Obama AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #122

I think he got "here's how things work" lessons from the NSA/CIA about spying, the military and rhett o rick Oct 2015 #129

Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Oct 2015 #11

Scahill will be on Chris Hayes MSNBC tonight discussing this Catherina Oct 2015 #16

between this and his relatively fair treatment of bernie, restorefreedom Oct 2015 #41

I hope you're wrong but you're probably not Catherina Oct 2015 #50

yeah just caught a little of the piece on drones restorefreedom Oct 2015 #68

Thanks. I'll try to catch it n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #78

you're welcome! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #80

Genociding the middle east. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #13

And for what? Catherina Oct 2015 #19

For the anus mundi that is the KSA hifiguy Oct 2015 #33

Don't forget .... LOCKHEED MARTIN..... MADem Oct 2015 #54

War is good hifiguy Oct 2015 #57

And there is not a candidate running who hasn't accommodated those guys in some fashion. MADem Oct 2015 #62

Thanks so much for this, Catherina. I've bookmarked, but read the thread. Sound horrific. merrily Oct 2015 #27

It's horrific. Couple this with pictures of our drone kills Catherina Oct 2015 #36

I think a lot of us were inclined to cut Obama some slack because he wasn't Bush tularetom Oct 2015 #30

It's war crimes. The MSF incident too (graphic pic / beautiful minds warning) Catherina Oct 2015 #39

Gotta keep 'murka Number One, you know. hifiguy Oct 2015 #45

I hate to say this, but Obama surrendered his foreign policy to the neocons years ago. reformist2 Oct 2015 #32

Why? 2naSalit Oct 2015 #40

I wouldn't run for president grasswire Oct 2015 #46

The first people he called in over the Arab spring in Egypt were neocons Catherina Oct 2015 #42

Drop the mic. hifiguy Oct 2015 #51

Yep. One hit after another. I so hope this new leaker never get found. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #88

Me too. And I hope he (or she) is already safely out of the country Catherina Oct 2015 #96

There's a lot of excuse making on this thread. LeftyMom Oct 2015 #38

The sooner we accept that WE are responsible the sooner things might change. Catherina Oct 2015 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author randome Oct 2015 #60

Explanations do not excuse. hifiguy Oct 2015 #64

Then you try an explanation: how would you stop these terrorists> randome Oct 2015 #70

Which ones? Hydra Oct 2015 #89

Glad you asked... Fairgo Oct 2015 #95

So you'd do nothing, then. Just let it all go and hope for the best. randome Oct 2015 #101

Thanks for that Fairgo Oct 2015 #106

You're at FAR greater risk of breaking your neck in the shower ronnie624 Oct 2015 #111

I have no anxiety regarding terrorists. None. randome Oct 2015 #120

"safeguarding Europe" ronnie624 Oct 2015 #131

Europe does not deal with terrorism> Hello, the Charlie Hebdo attack. randome Oct 2015 #158

More nonsense rationalizations. ronnie624 Oct 2015 #161

Excellent post (n/t) Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #97

Wars without End for Profits without Cease. Octafish Oct 2015 #66

I was hoping you would show up here, sir. hifiguy Oct 2015 #67

Sir, the fort then is in good hands. Octafish Oct 2015 #73

+1! And hi Octafish Catherina Oct 2015 #79

Hiya, Catherina! Great to read you! Octafish Oct 2015 #108

I checked out the link in your tag line. I only got 1/2 way through it, but it is great. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #74

Vincent Salandria was on the case Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Oct 2015 #124

Thanks to all... 1norcal Oct 2015 #154

Agree! nt Duppers Oct 2015 #162

Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #71

"The Drone Papers". How droll. How hyperbolic. randome Oct 2015 #72

Article: "The US government kills a lot of people who aren't military target" neverforget Oct 2015 #81

What is the alternative> randome Oct 2015 #82

here are alternatives restorefreedom Oct 2015 #107

"Don't give a shit about Europe". Not much of a foreign policy, I think. randome Oct 2015 #113

don't put words in my mouth, thanks restorefreedom Oct 2015 #115

You're talking about taking the long-term view. I have no problem with that. randome Oct 2015 #119

bernie's support of the drone program restorefreedom Oct 2015 #121

The Europeans are fully capable of taking care of themselves, hifiguy Oct 2015 #175

I won't be lectured by murder apologists. Clear? Make sure it is. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #90

So you're saying that killing is bad, right> Brilliant. randome Oct 2015 #99

Was my disdain for you not clear enough? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #105

Actually whenever I see that name, I know the article is hitting the right nerve. Rex Oct 2015 #135

yep, leaves the facts in the case wholly unaddressed, intact/unrebutted stupidicus Oct 2015 #165

Noticed that too, from the first days of conversation. Rex Oct 2015 #167

yep stupidicus Oct 2015 #170

indeed, thriving on being a murder apologists stupidicus Oct 2015 #164

terrorists!? wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #91

Sure. It's all just nth dimensional chess between the MIC and humanity, I guess. randome Oct 2015 #100

if you're skeerd jump in my pocket. I ain't. n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #102

Not afraid at all. 9-11 changed my life not one bit. randome Oct 2015 #114

Nice try at pretend outrage, it does not suit you well since you are horrible at it. Rex Oct 2015 #133

I'm not pretending to anything. Certainly not to having the wisdom to be right. randome Oct 2015 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #83

Was there any president that WASN'T a killer? Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #86

That is a good one, does that include when the President was NOT the President? happyslug Oct 2015 #109

Thank you for taking the time to respond... Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #141

Jimmy Carter. Rex Oct 2015 #137

Damn. That's pretty crazy. StrongBad Oct 2015 #92

^ Out of sight nationalize the fed Oct 2015 #94

Great link! Excellent quote!! Duppers Oct 2015 #163

for those of you who don't care about sleeping tonight.. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #98

Thanks. I'll watch tonight. If it disturbs my sleep, so be it Catherina Oct 2015 #103

"you suddenly realize it was his mother's phone you've been following all the time" Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #104

mass assassins reddread Oct 2015 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #123

Great post Catherina Oct 2015 #132

Wow! Bookmarking. Duppers Oct 2015 #171

Why did the original poster delete it? It's amazing. Duppers Oct 2015 #172

Isn't it freakin' great to have a Nobel Peace Prize winner in the White House? kath Oct 2015 #127

There is a debate to be had about drones Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #134

Greenwald? MH1 Oct 2015 #139

Greenwald runs the show at the Intercept Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #150

Ok, thanks MH1 Oct 2015 #156

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #140

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #144

. Autumn Oct 2015 #181