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joshcryer

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89. The rumor mill is that actually an endorsement...

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:37 AM

Oct 2015

...and support was in exchange for SoS. Clinton accepted her defeat but wanted to stay "in" rather than fall to obscurity or stay a senator. The trade off was "we'll bust our ass for you in the elections and you give us something in exchange." At the time it's unlikely that SoS was on the table or being mentioned openly, but implied, sure.

And no one can say Hillary Clinton didn't bust her ass for Obama in 2008 and that Bill Clinton didn't bust his ass for Obama in 2012.

I think that Rahm Emanuel was the reason for the end of the 50 state strategy. Dean didn't employ it in 2008 because it was a tough race and Rahm's pick as chief of staff pretty much lent his own ear to Obama, and Tim Kaine's pick resulted in the 50 state strategy being completely scrapped. After that point the focus of the DNC was electing Democrats at the presidential / national office and letting the states races go where they would go.

Rahm Emanuel never wanted the 50 state strategy to begin with and he got his way because Obama just is a reasonable person and listens to his advisers (for better or worse). Dean supporting Hillary may be his way of trying to get back "in" and prove once and for all his strategy can work. The feud between Rahm Emanuel and Howard Dean is epic in that respect.

And let's be honest, people wanting the 50 state strategy here don't really want to elect blue dogs, but they'll throw out the strategy to score points.

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Vox: Democrats are in denial. Their party is actually in deep trouble. [View all] mhatrw Oct 2015 OP

K & R. Yep, the way it is- appalachiablue Oct 2015 #1

Yes, and has been this way for years. elleng Oct 2015 #2

what idiots did away with the 50 state strategy. that's one group to thank for this nt msongs Oct 2015 #3

That would be the POTUS, hifiguy Oct 2015 #6

Wasn't DWS picked to run the DNC after Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #11

Who knows why POTUS picked her? It's his decision. nt TBF Oct 2015 #16

I've been thinking MsLeopard Oct 2015 #36

Bingo. nt TBF Oct 2015 #38

Oh come on. Agschmid Oct 2015 #53

Yeah--that's the most convoluted load of conspiracy I've seen in a long time! nt MADem Oct 2015 #126

The rumor mill is that actually an endorsement... joshcryer Oct 2015 #89

Obama's campaigns never coordinated with down-ticket races. yardwork Oct 2015 #102

Where did I do that at all? joshcryer Oct 2015 #106

Yes, I was mostly agreeing with you. yardwork Oct 2015 #107

I think Obama going with Rahm did it. joshcryer Oct 2015 #109

Rahm has a lot to answer for. /nt yardwork Oct 2015 #138

...people wanting the 50 state strategy here don't really want to elect blue dogs, but they'll throw MADem Oct 2015 #127

The thing about blue dogs is they're better than republicans... MoonchildCA Oct 2015 #146

Someone ran the vote numbers, during DU's "Blue Dogs must go" days ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #168

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #167

Makes sense emsimon33 Oct 2015 #99

Why would Hillary want DWS? yardwork Oct 2015 #101

She's a bootlicking toady of the first order? hifiguy Oct 2015 #149

Is this DU or FreeRepublic? yardwork Oct 2015 #150

That DWS is a bootlicking toady of HRH hifiguy Oct 2015 #154

When the line is that straight and the connections hifiguy Oct 2015 #148

Sounds plausible, but why can't Bernie's campaign organization recruit young Dems to run in local Gmak Oct 2015 #161

The President is a Conservative Democrat. They love DWS. She is doing exactly what they want andt rhett o rick Oct 2015 #166

I couldn't agree more - TBF Oct 2015 #173

The 50-State Strategy as put on paper by Howard Dean was twofold: Volaris Oct 2015 #18

Eeyup. And he was well on his way. hifiguy Oct 2015 #24

Yeah he was. Volaris Oct 2015 #29

And we can thank Rahm for that. joshcryer Oct 2015 #85

Rahm...ugh...one of the worst picks ever. Rex Oct 2015 #152

He's the ugliest side of hifiguy Oct 2015 #163

Yes that is the sad fact. They couldn't wait to get rid of HD. Rex Oct 2015 #151

You could say the focus away from electing Dems... joshcryer Oct 2015 #87

Are you asking because you don't know? If you know, why not just make the statement? rhett o rick Oct 2015 #165

Does the name Tim Kaine ring a bell anywhere? n/t DFW Oct 2015 #79

I fear it's because the establishments of both parties are very happy with their status quo. Marr Oct 2015 #82

The erosion of the 50 state strategy started in 2006. joshcryer Oct 2015 #88

That would be POTUS and the Thirdway of which Phlem Oct 2015 #66

Yeah, we should be electing blue dogs. joshcryer Oct 2015 #86

They are if all those Third Way morons in DC keep calling the shots in state elections Warpy Oct 2015 #4

Yup. hifiguy Oct 2015 #5

And Debbie Wasserman-DINO is helping them with that. n/t djean111 Oct 2015 #7

Exactly. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #8

Don't you remember all the talk about the GOP zeemike Oct 2015 #21

I remember that all too well. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #22

It was even more pronounced after 2012 Nevernose Oct 2015 #26

10 year old news Gman Oct 2015 #9

Yes...nt Stuart G Oct 2015 #10

Vote in State elections! lovemydog Oct 2015 #12

Sometimes, a state's party apparatchiks work against good candidates Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #13

Yes, they do. lovemydog Oct 2015 #14

Which sounds like a national candidate, to me. nt artislife Oct 2015 #136

I agree Thespian2 Oct 2015 #164

Wasserman-Schultz is an excellent example of this... blackspade Oct 2015 #42

I agree. lovemydog Oct 2015 #76

What you said.... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #59

but if Dems win how can they blame us activists for our neighbors not voting for them? MisterP Oct 2015 #15

And this is yet another reason to vote for Bernie. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #17

So essentially you're saying we're being held hostage by petulant children Codeine Oct 2015 #32

Petulant children? crim son Oct 2015 #35

I think DrBulldog has a point. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #51

The irony is before Obama the next most recent president with a higher youth turnout was... Agschmid Oct 2015 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author thesquanderer Oct 2015 #57

I'll admit that bothers me. Codeine Oct 2015 #61

Youth need someone to vote for. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #62

There's always a choice. Codeine Oct 2015 #67

I voted straight Dem ticket for 20 years. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #70

^^^ This ^^^ malokvale77 Oct 2015 #108

A perfect example is that I live in the 5th CD in Oregon which is Kurt Schrader davidpdx Oct 2015 #97

When I was a youth, the someone I was voting for was me. The reason I was voting was us. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #116

that wasn't true when I was a youth hfojvt Oct 2015 #171

They are not silly and certainly not stupid - TBF Oct 2015 #39

It still seems to me like we're being told that if we don't nominate their guy Codeine Oct 2015 #41

This is pretty early in the game to demand loyalty oaths - TBF Oct 2015 #45

There's a vast difference between a "loyalty oath" and the reasonable expectation that an Codeine Oct 2015 #58

But right now only 30% of registered voters TM99 Oct 2015 #129

+1 Well put n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #134

Exactly Oilwellian Oct 2015 #159

Yes. TM99 Oct 2015 #160

That's some agest shit there. blackspade Oct 2015 #43

As the message I responded to specifically referenced a youthful age group I would disagree. Codeine Oct 2015 #47

This OP is about Democrats losing State Houses. 2014 midterm Youth turnout was 21.5% Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #117

Except you have the causality backwards. jeff47 Oct 2015 #130

I guess I see the responsibility of voting differently. nt Codeine Oct 2015 #140

Then we lose. jeff47 Oct 2015 #142

That has nothing to do with my point... blackspade Oct 2015 #147

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #100

I think you have who the real petulant children are, confused...nt artislife Oct 2015 #137

Every Clinton supporter I've seen Codeine Oct 2015 #139

But most Hillary supporters artislife Oct 2015 #141

The subject of this OP is about State Legislature elections, this includes mid-terms which the Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #115

I agree. Bernie will bring out the millenials, the independent left, and Zorra Oct 2015 #175

Our Democratic Caucus in Oregon Costs $250 to Attend McKim Oct 2015 #19

That's actually why I didn't help the Gore campaign Nevernose Oct 2015 #27

...! KoKo Oct 2015 #31

I know that feeling. joshcryer Oct 2015 #92

It's legal to charge someone to vote in Oregon? n/t BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #40

It's not a vote technically... Agschmid Oct 2015 #56

It is against the Party's own rules... joshcryer Oct 2015 #91

It's not a caucus, it's a 3 Day workshop/conference. Oregon has a primary, not a caucus for electing Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #120

I assume to become a nominated delegate. joshcryer Oct 2015 #90

The event which is $250 bucks is a weedend conference/party and it is not about delegagtes, platform Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #121

Nebraska is not nonpartisan no matter what they say Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #20

PA. has a Democratic Gov., and will go Blue (as always) for the next POTUS. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #23

So? The legislature is wall-to-wall GOP malthaussen Oct 2015 #30

Okay, governors are irrelevant entities. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #111

And legislatures are to, I guess. former9thward Oct 2015 #176

If Republicans ever get their party to pull together they could sweep the whole government in a massive way. Kablooie Oct 2015 #25

It's been this way though. Democrats have never since the 60's been a local oriented party. craigmatic Oct 2015 #28

In order to legislate liberal policies we must control Congress. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #80

That's because democrats are lazy ass voters. Chicago1980 Oct 2015 #33

Ain't it the truth? nt Codeine Oct 2015 #37

Ran On Nothing ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #103

Did you LIKE Quinn? lostnfound Oct 2015 #128

Liked him better than the twat that's there now. Chicago1980 Oct 2015 #145

No, our candidates run lazy ass campaigns jeff47 Oct 2015 #131

I have heard this assertion before -- chervilant Oct 2015 #143

So true ellie Oct 2015 #156

TN was Democratic 10 years ago until the speaker of the House redstateblues Oct 2015 #34

Lots of people commenting without reading the article. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #44

I have heard that theory before. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #65

2006 proves you wrong. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #78

And they lost in 2010. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #84

And a good amount of liberals took a beating too. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #93

Right here. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #112

The gist of it is the Democrats are shitty at fighting infinite Repuke money mhatrw Oct 2015 #94

Overcynicism is as self-deceptive as none. More Americans vote Democrat than Hortensis Oct 2015 #133

The gist is that they haven't lost ground in liberal areas... Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #169

Yes, it is because they are too conservative. mhatrw Oct 2015 #170

lol that's a load. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #174

lol treestar Oct 2015 #119

lol they were so eager to jump on what looks like bad news for Democrats treestar Oct 2015 #122

Its time for Debbie Wasserman Shultz to go - she let this happen AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #46

While we're worrying about the 2016 election... Initech Oct 2015 #48

the road to hell is paved with good intentions captainarizona Oct 2015 #49

I have posted what you posted a 100 times. former9thward Oct 2015 #71

Kick. Agschmid Oct 2015 #50

This is the concern I've been trying to get through SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #52

Present an alternative to corporatist democrats then. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #73

That's what you got from what I wrote? SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #75

In 2014's two elections in CA, 61% and 69% of votes were cast by mail. Easy to do. Here in Oregon Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #124

This is what Debbie Wasserman Shultz wants, focus on the key states, fuck everyone else whereisjustice Oct 2015 #54

Very well stated. nt malokvale77 Oct 2015 #113

I think the best paragraph in the piece... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #60

And the Third Way "limousine liberals" driving the Democratic Party off a cliff... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #63

They WANT what America has become. mhatrw Oct 2015 #95

You got it! gregcrawford Oct 2015 #105

Thanks for the tune. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #114

Rahm Emmanuel has already said what the RW of the Party thinks of the left. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #64

Will the party only be about white house ? Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #68

I agree...my wife and I are targeting support for State Houses and Legislatures... brooklynite Oct 2015 #69

I have been screaming on this board and on all other boards i post on about state and local kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #72

this is why I hate the single-minded focus on the presidential race Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #74

You're right. I wonder if the internet has helped make the national scene Codeine Oct 2015 #77

Good point, I think that's part of it for sure. Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #104

amen! treestar Oct 2015 #118

it seems like the Dems attract a lot more superficial voters Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #172

That's the worst since the 1800s jfern Oct 2015 #81

This article is nonsense, and Ed Shultz is full of sh*t. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #83

This is a fundamental problem with Democrats BainsBane Oct 2015 #96

Yes, but fixable. Let's auto-register everyone at 18 as HRC plans. Hortensis Oct 2015 #135

I just saw this article via duckduckgo's Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #98

This is the problem. The party let too many things go in pursuing one office. mmonk Oct 2015 #110

Agreed... Xyzse Oct 2015 #123

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #125

Agree! UCmeNdc Oct 2015 #132

Both major parties are in deep trouble.... marmar Oct 2015 #144

I agree, it never occurs to them that we want change and won't vote them out. Rex Oct 2015 #153

I have been looking at all of these remarks and I substantially Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #155

The Democratic party hasn't been interested in spreading traditional Democratic Party principles ... raindaddy Oct 2015 #157

we live in a very conservative area of orange county SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #158

Yet the GOP is doing great? BlueStater Oct 2015 #162