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GreatGazoo

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41. There is a difference between what various groups consider "undesireable to live"

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:53 PM

Oct 2015

which ties in to the phases. The "pioneers" leave at some point because what attracted them (edginess, value and unique character) is no longer there. Phase 4 and 5 are just about money, not how desirable it is to live there (because the new owners don't). Having an inhuman institution for a landlord is undesirable for almost anyone.

There is a neighborhood on the east end of Williamsburg Brooklyn which was almost all Italian immigrants -- no drugs, low crime, reasonable rents. When you go into a store the person behind the counter owns the store. Butchers cut meat to order and the shop is buzzing with neighbors talking. That isn't "shittiness", that is community. They have hung together even as gentrification rages. On Metropolitan Avenue it is typical for three to five 20-somethings to split 2 bedroom apts at $2600/month but the interior blocks, 200 feet away, are almost all owner occupied by the 2nd or 3rd generation that has lived there.

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The 5 Phases of Gentrification -- When can it be stopped? [View all] GreatGazoo Oct 2015 OP

Phase 6 - Bistrofication Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #1

love it GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #2

phases 7 and 8 enid602 Oct 2015 #52

How do you propose to stop it? AngryAmish Oct 2015 #3

Protect those at risk -- Seniors, families, low income GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #5

I might be wrong but wouldn't a good voucher system from jwirr Oct 2015 #19

No, because voucher payments are set too low for rents in newly gentrified areas. Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #22

Okay. I know that my son in law has a several rental jwirr Oct 2015 #23

HUD just lowered the value of vouchers in the Bay Area daredtowork Oct 2015 #53

Okay, that is very interesting. In other words HUD is just jwirr Oct 2015 #55

threshold question is whether it should be stopped in all cases. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #4

another question would be whether we can stop the worst effects of gentrification GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #6

it can be delayed, but once the drug dealer goes, the chain of events begins geek tragedy Oct 2015 #9

It's worth noting that G doesn't just "happen." Almost always investors Hortensis Oct 2015 #24

and that's the thing, there's organic revitilization which is the more benign form geek tragedy Oct 2015 #27

"Middle class ownership" is gentrification in low income neighborhoods. Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #43

So maybe we should put walls around these neighborhoods, ban banks geek tragedy Oct 2015 #44

No, that would be as feckless as ignoring the problems caused by gentrification. Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #45

redlining certainly did play a role in depressing housing prices in black communities geek tragedy Oct 2015 #46

They worked until other policies undermined them Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #51

Agreed. hifiguy Oct 2015 #47

My brother lives in Nordeast. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #48

I think you are very correct. hifiguy Oct 2015 #49

nordeast schools are pretty good, apparently. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #50

Don't try to stop it. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #7

That's the thing. backscatter712 Oct 2015 #8

Agreed. geardaddy Oct 2015 #11

yea, even when the city mandates it there are questions on how to do it GummyBearz Oct 2015 #28

Should it be? brooklynite Oct 2015 #10

It should be to the extent that it displaces low income communities Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #26

I don't think it is necessarily something that should be stopped. Throd Oct 2015 #12

Good post. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #13

Kill it all past step one. hunter Oct 2015 #14

Killing it at step 1 would mean forcing banks to redline minority and poor neighborhoods. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #25

Nope you are wrong. hunter Oct 2015 #29

So, just back up a few dump trucks full of money and problem solved? nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #30

Yep. Money requires little more than banking laws, taxes, and a printing press. hunter Oct 2015 #32

Okay, so all we need to do is pass a law banning poverty. Seems easy enough nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #33

It is easy enough. hunter Oct 2015 #35

which is why poverty doesn't exist outside the US? nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #36

No. hunter Oct 2015 #38

There is a difference between what various groups consider "undesireable to live" GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #41

as I said in another post in this thread, the key is promoting middle class ownership geek tragedy Oct 2015 #42

As an artist, I know this formula *way* too well Matariki Oct 2015 #15

Yep. My parents are artists. hunter Oct 2015 #31

The speculators and developers arriving on the scene is the return of the predators, original street Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #16

Urban neighborhoods change. That's just what they do. Recursion Oct 2015 #17

It's not just about individual neighborhoods -- it's whole cities starroute Oct 2015 #18

This is the same issue that we are talking about when people jwirr Oct 2015 #21

It should not be stopped. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #20

You thin that's a good thing? hunter Oct 2015 #34

Yes, I do. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #37

"Blight" in the U.S.A. has traditionally been, and still is, extremely racist in its application. hunter Oct 2015 #56

City neighborhoods are a living, breathing dynamic mountain grammy Oct 2015 #39

Gentrification is better than nothing taught_me_patience Oct 2015 #40

I was usually Phase One Warpy Oct 2015 #54