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gollygee

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39. Separation of church and state is why churches aren't taxed
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:24 AM
Oct 2015
http://www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html

There is said to be an old Arabian proverb: "If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow." This expression is especially pertinent in the tax exemption context. Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it. If the government is allowed to tax churches (or to condition a tax exemption on a church refraining from the free exercise of religion), the camel's nose is under the tent, and its body is sure to follow. But that's not just my opinion; it's the understanding of the U.S. Supreme Court.

In its 1970 opinion in Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York, the high court stated that a tax exemption for churches "creates only a minimal and remote involvement between church and state and far less than taxation of churches. [An exemption] restricts the fiscal relationship between church and state, and tends to complement and reinforce the desired separation insulating each from the other." The Supreme Court also said that "the power to tax involves the power to destroy." Taxing churches breaks down the healthy separation of church and state and leads to the destruction of the free exercise of religion.

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it's all a scam Skittles Oct 2015 #1
Totally agree. Religion is the biggest grifting scam ever perpetrated on humanity. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #7
passing the plate to pay off the pedophile lawsuits Skittles Oct 2015 #8
Yep...while lecturing the sheep on "morality" Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #9
whenever someone talks of how charitable they are Skittles Oct 2015 #10
I agree. The RCC has been a scourge on the planet, Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #47
... Totally agree. Religion is the biggest grifting scam ever perpetrated on humanity. ryan_cats Oct 2015 #45
Neither can I. And to hard earned money to these greedy grifters.... SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #46
They even build great cathedrals where the people congregate in order to be told ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #49
Yes. Carlin nailed that in the clip hifiguy posted below. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #64
Mark Twain analysed it hifiguy Oct 2015 #56
Love those two dudes. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #63
In the words of L. Ron Hubbard U of M Dem Oct 2015 #2
And his tomatoes screamed when sliced. ileus Oct 2015 #16
Leo Strauss, patron saint of neocons hifiguy Oct 2015 #58
k and r for this soooooo-not-surprising piece. niyad Oct 2015 #3
No surprise here passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #4
Or as Michael "Meathead" Stivic once proposed, commercial church property. KamaAina Oct 2015 #5
Or, in lieu of cash, hifiguy Oct 2015 #59
This is a very poor analysis. It is wrong in every aspect. kwassa Oct 2015 #6
I have to agree with you gollygee Oct 2015 #12
Then I would seriously question what the point of a church is, if not to help others. trotsky Oct 2015 #14
It helps others as well, but primarily it is a place to learn, worship, and find community gollygee Oct 2015 #17
"that isn't their primary reason for existence" trotsky Oct 2015 #20
I'm not a Christian gollygee Oct 2015 #22
Then I think you should leave it to Christians to say what their church does. trotsky Oct 2015 #24
I can state my opinion regardless of my belief/lack thereof. n/t gollygee Oct 2015 #25
You sure can. trotsky Oct 2015 #27
I have mixed feelings about that gollygee Oct 2015 #28
Why isn't it a fair comparison? trotsky Oct 2015 #29
Because churches do other stuff than charity work gollygee Oct 2015 #31
We seem to be going around in circles now. trotsky Oct 2015 #32
The church organizes it gollygee Oct 2015 #34
Religion is an enormous part of the lives of many Americans, critical Hortensis Oct 2015 #35
OK, so back to my baking club. trotsky Oct 2015 #36
Your baking club would qualify for tax exempt status. gollygee Oct 2015 #37
Yes it would. But it would not have the same status as a church. trotsky Oct 2015 #38
Separation of church and state is why churches aren't taxed gollygee Oct 2015 #39
And yet your admission that churches really aren't in the charity business undercuts that argument. trotsky Oct 2015 #40
The Supreme Court ruling doesn't rely on charity n/t gollygee Oct 2015 #41
And yet some churches DO pay some taxes, depending on the activities they are engaged in. trotsky Oct 2015 #42
Evangelicals are the single largest religious group in the country, kwassa. trotsky Oct 2015 #18
The point is that "operating as a church" should not be tax-free - it's a self-interested activity muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #21
Churches are tax-free as a means of preserving the separation .... kwassa Oct 2015 #50
And such absolutism is taken advantage of muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #52
The clerics I know are nice deserving people. kwassa Oct 2015 #65
I shpould have put emphasis on the 'must' muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #74
Oh, BTW the proof about Walmart donations is this: trotsky Oct 2015 #26
Sadly, you're right. Churches aren't required to do charity. The IRS '14 points': Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #30
Catholic Charities and the RCC are two different entities Major Nikon Oct 2015 #51
How do religious organizations overwhelmingly support Republicans? kwassa Oct 2015 #66
Sure, in theory Major Nikon Oct 2015 #67
and they should be prosecuted. kwassa Oct 2015 #69
But they won't be Major Nikon Oct 2015 #71
Do the churches directly run the government in Texas? kwassa Oct 2015 #72
They run more than the government in Texas Major Nikon Oct 2015 #73
I know about Ray Moore, and the absurdity of the Texas history books. kwassa Oct 2015 #75
Government promotes the businesses it taxes quaker bill Oct 2015 #11
Ironically, many ARE operated like businesses. progressoid Oct 2015 #62
I believe this is one of the things on a long laundry list we need to get done davidpdx Oct 2015 #13
#2 xenoturkey Oct 2015 #23
Yup. hifiguy Oct 2015 #60
"steal"...If only we could ban religion. ileus Oct 2015 #15
Time to means test churches based on proven contributions to charitable organizations and their own kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #19
Tax them. Vinca Oct 2015 #33
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #43
I thought ryan_cats Oct 2015 #44
Churches as well as museums, hospitals, libraries... LanternWaste Oct 2015 #48
Not all non-profits qualify for a tax exemption Major Nikon Oct 2015 #54
Keep them tithes comin' in friends and neighbors. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #53
Why does gawd always need money? hifiguy Oct 2015 #61
Let me venture a guess... hifiguy Oct 2015 #55
"preachercreature" FTW! KamaAina Oct 2015 #57
John Oliver nailed these crooks and moochers a few episodes back. Initech Oct 2015 #68
Tax the churches! mountain grammy Oct 2015 #70
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