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In reply to the discussion: Altar Welfare: Churches Steal $71 Billion A Year From Taxpayers, Spend Little On Charity [View all]gollygee
(22,336 posts)39. Separation of church and state is why churches aren't taxed
http://www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html
There is said to be an old Arabian proverb: "If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow." This expression is especially pertinent in the tax exemption context. Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it. If the government is allowed to tax churches (or to condition a tax exemption on a church refraining from the free exercise of religion), the camel's nose is under the tent, and its body is sure to follow. But that's not just my opinion; it's the understanding of the U.S. Supreme Court.
In its 1970 opinion in Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York, the high court stated that a tax exemption for churches "creates only a minimal and remote involvement between church and state and far less than taxation of churches. [An exemption] restricts the fiscal relationship between church and state, and tends to complement and reinforce the desired separation insulating each from the other." The Supreme Court also said that "the power to tax involves the power to destroy." Taxing churches breaks down the healthy separation of church and state and leads to the destruction of the free exercise of religion.
There is said to be an old Arabian proverb: "If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow." This expression is especially pertinent in the tax exemption context. Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it. If the government is allowed to tax churches (or to condition a tax exemption on a church refraining from the free exercise of religion), the camel's nose is under the tent, and its body is sure to follow. But that's not just my opinion; it's the understanding of the U.S. Supreme Court.
In its 1970 opinion in Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York, the high court stated that a tax exemption for churches "creates only a minimal and remote involvement between church and state and far less than taxation of churches. [An exemption] restricts the fiscal relationship between church and state, and tends to complement and reinforce the desired separation insulating each from the other." The Supreme Court also said that "the power to tax involves the power to destroy." Taxing churches breaks down the healthy separation of church and state and leads to the destruction of the free exercise of religion.
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Altar Welfare: Churches Steal $71 Billion A Year From Taxpayers, Spend Little On Charity [View all]
KamaAina
Oct 2015
OP
Totally agree. Religion is the biggest grifting scam ever perpetrated on humanity.
Arugula Latte
Oct 2015
#7
... Totally agree. Religion is the biggest grifting scam ever perpetrated on humanity.
ryan_cats
Oct 2015
#45
They even build great cathedrals where the people congregate in order to be told
ChisolmTrailDem
Oct 2015
#49
Then I would seriously question what the point of a church is, if not to help others.
trotsky
Oct 2015
#14
It helps others as well, but primarily it is a place to learn, worship, and find community
gollygee
Oct 2015
#17
And yet your admission that churches really aren't in the charity business undercuts that argument.
trotsky
Oct 2015
#40
And yet some churches DO pay some taxes, depending on the activities they are engaged in.
trotsky
Oct 2015
#42
The point is that "operating as a church" should not be tax-free - it's a self-interested activity
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2015
#21
Sadly, you're right. Churches aren't required to do charity. The IRS '14 points':
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2015
#30
I believe this is one of the things on a long laundry list we need to get done
davidpdx
Oct 2015
#13
Time to means test churches based on proven contributions to charitable organizations and their own
kelliekat44
Oct 2015
#19