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sarisataka

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14. No it doesn't

Reply to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:11 AM

Oct 2015

It expressly forbids owning people-

AMENDMENT XIII
Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

Note: A portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by the 13th amendment.

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Changed from original text per-

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

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The contitution says you can own a gun but also that you can own people [View all] Maraya1969 Oct 2015 OP

Here: hunter Oct 2015 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Maraya1969 Oct 2015 #4

The easiest way to do it... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #7

OK I got it. Thanks Maraya1969 Oct 2015 #6

it says you can only if a well-regulated militia is neccessary for the security of a free state saturnsring Oct 2015 #2

It says nothing of the sort, of course. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #5

I don't see any "if" in the amendment dumbcat Oct 2015 #11

doesnt need an if. the militia is gone and only the militia (if it existed) would have that right saturnsring Oct 2015 #15

The militia is gone? dumbcat Oct 2015 #17

Again, that's completely incorrect. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #21

But by accepted English grammar standards it applies to a well regulated militia and only to an kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #50

That's simply false. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #54

The Constitution DOES NOT say you can own people. EL34x4 Oct 2015 #3

That is an ammendment added after the civil war. The original Maraya1969 Oct 2015 #8

So pass an amendment banning gun ownership Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #9

A little civics lesson for those who have forgotten: EL34x4 Oct 2015 #12

The irritating thing about that video: they crossed out the wrong document frizzled Oct 2015 #19

They had to keep it simple. EL34x4 Oct 2015 #24

I don't think the gun nuts understand the Constitution. frizzled Oct 2015 #26

And in actually enforcing it, if passed. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #37

Doesn't matter what the original document said. EL34x4 Oct 2015 #10

It's basically impossible to amend, since you need 100-ish legislatures to agree frizzled Oct 2015 #16

The Constitution has been amended 23 times since 1791. EL34x4 Oct 2015 #20

It is impossible to amend on anything that isn't more or less completely unanimous. frizzled Oct 2015 #22

Texas amends its Constitution all the times. Do you want that? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #51

It did not prohibit it. former9thward Oct 2015 #23

Actually, it didn't. WillowTree Oct 2015 #25

When passed, the Constitution did not forbid it. It was amended to forbid it, just as it was amended Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #29

EXCEPT is a pretty important word loyalsister Oct 2015 #48

Assuming that you're correct, how do you plan to get the 300+ million guns cleanhippie Oct 2015 #13

Ban the import, sale and manufacture of guns and ammunition. Periodic buybacks and amnesties. frizzled Oct 2015 #18

You have a few errors in there, IMO. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #27

You can't be taken seriously if you think the statistics showing gun ownership is decreasing are frizzled Oct 2015 #30

I'd say the exact same thing to anyone trusting such surveys. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #31

Specialized gun oils? EL34x4 Oct 2015 #43

As opposed to this: Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #44

LOL! I read about that! (eom) EL34x4 Oct 2015 #53

"We can help that on its way by banning specialized gun oils too." beevul Oct 2015 #45

Are you saying gun oils don't exist? Let's hope they use WD-40 instead. frizzled Oct 2015 #46

No, I'm saying that it appears that in your worldview reality does not exist. N/T beevul Oct 2015 #47

The lifespan for guns and ammo is indefinite Lurks Often Oct 2015 #32

False for ammunition (30 years at most for reliability), and guns need regular maintenance frizzled Oct 2015 #33

Regular and utterly simple maintenance. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #35

You are wrong Lurks Often Oct 2015 #36

Such ammunition is not reliable, and all steels corrode slowly. frizzled Oct 2015 #38

You are wrong Lurks Often Oct 2015 #39

I'd rather keep the guns/ammo and get rid of the street gangs and criminals. Waldorf Oct 2015 #40

Yes, I know you feel your right to a gun eclipses everyone else's right to live in a safe country frizzled Oct 2015 #41

It would be safer country if you could get rid of the gangs and criminals. Waldorf Oct 2015 #42

No it doesn't sarisataka Oct 2015 #14

The contitution says you can speak your mind freely but also that you can own people Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #28

I can often be quite difficulty indeed, to extrapolate the both the intentions and the sincerity LanternWaste Oct 2015 #34

Reckless phrasing, the Constitution also says alcohol is illegal before it makes it legal again Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #49

Can you fix your subject line? MagickMuffin Oct 2015 #52