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Drunken Irishman

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174. lol that's a load.

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:18 PM

Oct 2015

The Democrats didn't lose their majority by losing liberal seats. They lost it in conservative areas of the country - places like Utah, Idaho (they had a Democratic rep up until 2010), the South and midwest - states that heavily favor Republicans. The Democrats only managed to reclaim the House in 2006 because they ran moderate candidates in right-leaning areas and beat out conservative candidates.

The fact is, the Democratic Party became a shell of its former self at the height of liberalism as conservative Democrats were pinched out and switched to the Republicans, taking a whole region where Democrats dominated out of contention. It's remained out of contention.

Every major Republican sweep has come through winning moderate/right-leaning seats. That isn't because those seats, and states, are electing too conservative of a Democrat. That's just absurd.

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Vox: Democrats are in denial. Their party is actually in deep trouble. [View all] mhatrw Oct 2015 OP

K & R. Yep, the way it is- appalachiablue Oct 2015 #1

Yes, and has been this way for years. elleng Oct 2015 #2

what idiots did away with the 50 state strategy. that's one group to thank for this nt msongs Oct 2015 #3

That would be the POTUS, hifiguy Oct 2015 #6

Wasn't DWS picked to run the DNC after Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #11

Who knows why POTUS picked her? It's his decision. nt TBF Oct 2015 #16

I've been thinking MsLeopard Oct 2015 #36

Bingo. nt TBF Oct 2015 #38

Oh come on. Agschmid Oct 2015 #53

Yeah--that's the most convoluted load of conspiracy I've seen in a long time! nt MADem Oct 2015 #126

The rumor mill is that actually an endorsement... joshcryer Oct 2015 #89

Obama's campaigns never coordinated with down-ticket races. yardwork Oct 2015 #102

Where did I do that at all? joshcryer Oct 2015 #106

Yes, I was mostly agreeing with you. yardwork Oct 2015 #107

I think Obama going with Rahm did it. joshcryer Oct 2015 #109

Rahm has a lot to answer for. /nt yardwork Oct 2015 #138

...people wanting the 50 state strategy here don't really want to elect blue dogs, but they'll throw MADem Oct 2015 #127

The thing about blue dogs is they're better than republicans... MoonchildCA Oct 2015 #146

Someone ran the vote numbers, during DU's "Blue Dogs must go" days ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #168

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #167

Makes sense emsimon33 Oct 2015 #99

Why would Hillary want DWS? yardwork Oct 2015 #101

She's a bootlicking toady of the first order? hifiguy Oct 2015 #149

Is this DU or FreeRepublic? yardwork Oct 2015 #150

That DWS is a bootlicking toady of HRH hifiguy Oct 2015 #154

When the line is that straight and the connections hifiguy Oct 2015 #148

Sounds plausible, but why can't Bernie's campaign organization recruit young Dems to run in local Gmak Oct 2015 #161

The President is a Conservative Democrat. They love DWS. She is doing exactly what they want andt rhett o rick Oct 2015 #166

I couldn't agree more - TBF Oct 2015 #173

The 50-State Strategy as put on paper by Howard Dean was twofold: Volaris Oct 2015 #18

Eeyup. And he was well on his way. hifiguy Oct 2015 #24

Yeah he was. Volaris Oct 2015 #29

And we can thank Rahm for that. joshcryer Oct 2015 #85

Rahm...ugh...one of the worst picks ever. Rex Oct 2015 #152

He's the ugliest side of hifiguy Oct 2015 #163

Yes that is the sad fact. They couldn't wait to get rid of HD. Rex Oct 2015 #151

You could say the focus away from electing Dems... joshcryer Oct 2015 #87

Are you asking because you don't know? If you know, why not just make the statement? rhett o rick Oct 2015 #165

Does the name Tim Kaine ring a bell anywhere? n/t DFW Oct 2015 #79

I fear it's because the establishments of both parties are very happy with their status quo. Marr Oct 2015 #82

The erosion of the 50 state strategy started in 2006. joshcryer Oct 2015 #88

That would be POTUS and the Thirdway of which Phlem Oct 2015 #66

Yeah, we should be electing blue dogs. joshcryer Oct 2015 #86

They are if all those Third Way morons in DC keep calling the shots in state elections Warpy Oct 2015 #4

Yup. hifiguy Oct 2015 #5

And Debbie Wasserman-DINO is helping them with that. n/t djean111 Oct 2015 #7

Exactly. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #8

Don't you remember all the talk about the GOP zeemike Oct 2015 #21

I remember that all too well. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #22

It was even more pronounced after 2012 Nevernose Oct 2015 #26

10 year old news Gman Oct 2015 #9

Yes...nt Stuart G Oct 2015 #10

Vote in State elections! lovemydog Oct 2015 #12

Sometimes, a state's party apparatchiks work against good candidates Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #13

Yes, they do. lovemydog Oct 2015 #14

Which sounds like a national candidate, to me. nt artislife Oct 2015 #136

I agree Thespian2 Oct 2015 #164

Wasserman-Schultz is an excellent example of this... blackspade Oct 2015 #42

I agree. lovemydog Oct 2015 #76

What you said.... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #59

but if Dems win how can they blame us activists for our neighbors not voting for them? MisterP Oct 2015 #15

And this is yet another reason to vote for Bernie. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #17

So essentially you're saying we're being held hostage by petulant children Codeine Oct 2015 #32

Petulant children? crim son Oct 2015 #35

I think DrBulldog has a point. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #51

The irony is before Obama the next most recent president with a higher youth turnout was... Agschmid Oct 2015 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author thesquanderer Oct 2015 #57

I'll admit that bothers me. Codeine Oct 2015 #61

Youth need someone to vote for. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #62

There's always a choice. Codeine Oct 2015 #67

I voted straight Dem ticket for 20 years. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #70

^^^ This ^^^ malokvale77 Oct 2015 #108

A perfect example is that I live in the 5th CD in Oregon which is Kurt Schrader davidpdx Oct 2015 #97

When I was a youth, the someone I was voting for was me. The reason I was voting was us. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #116

that wasn't true when I was a youth hfojvt Oct 2015 #171

They are not silly and certainly not stupid - TBF Oct 2015 #39

It still seems to me like we're being told that if we don't nominate their guy Codeine Oct 2015 #41

This is pretty early in the game to demand loyalty oaths - TBF Oct 2015 #45

There's a vast difference between a "loyalty oath" and the reasonable expectation that an Codeine Oct 2015 #58

But right now only 30% of registered voters TM99 Oct 2015 #129

+1 Well put n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #134

Exactly Oilwellian Oct 2015 #159

Yes. TM99 Oct 2015 #160

That's some agest shit there. blackspade Oct 2015 #43

As the message I responded to specifically referenced a youthful age group I would disagree. Codeine Oct 2015 #47

This OP is about Democrats losing State Houses. 2014 midterm Youth turnout was 21.5% Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #117

Except you have the causality backwards. jeff47 Oct 2015 #130

I guess I see the responsibility of voting differently. nt Codeine Oct 2015 #140

Then we lose. jeff47 Oct 2015 #142

That has nothing to do with my point... blackspade Oct 2015 #147

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #100

I think you have who the real petulant children are, confused...nt artislife Oct 2015 #137

Every Clinton supporter I've seen Codeine Oct 2015 #139

But most Hillary supporters artislife Oct 2015 #141

The subject of this OP is about State Legislature elections, this includes mid-terms which the Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #115

I agree. Bernie will bring out the millenials, the independent left, and Zorra Oct 2015 #175

Our Democratic Caucus in Oregon Costs $250 to Attend McKim Oct 2015 #19

That's actually why I didn't help the Gore campaign Nevernose Oct 2015 #27

...! KoKo Oct 2015 #31

I know that feeling. joshcryer Oct 2015 #92

It's legal to charge someone to vote in Oregon? n/t BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #40

It's not a vote technically... Agschmid Oct 2015 #56

It is against the Party's own rules... joshcryer Oct 2015 #91

It's not a caucus, it's a 3 Day workshop/conference. Oregon has a primary, not a caucus for electing Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #120

I assume to become a nominated delegate. joshcryer Oct 2015 #90

The event which is $250 bucks is a weedend conference/party and it is not about delegagtes, platform Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #121

Nebraska is not nonpartisan no matter what they say Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #20

PA. has a Democratic Gov., and will go Blue (as always) for the next POTUS. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #23

So? The legislature is wall-to-wall GOP malthaussen Oct 2015 #30

Okay, governors are irrelevant entities. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #111

And legislatures are to, I guess. former9thward Oct 2015 #176

If Republicans ever get their party to pull together they could sweep the whole government in a massive way. Kablooie Oct 2015 #25

It's been this way though. Democrats have never since the 60's been a local oriented party. craigmatic Oct 2015 #28

In order to legislate liberal policies we must control Congress. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #80

That's because democrats are lazy ass voters. Chicago1980 Oct 2015 #33

Ain't it the truth? nt Codeine Oct 2015 #37

Ran On Nothing ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #103

Did you LIKE Quinn? lostnfound Oct 2015 #128

Liked him better than the twat that's there now. Chicago1980 Oct 2015 #145

No, our candidates run lazy ass campaigns jeff47 Oct 2015 #131

I have heard this assertion before -- chervilant Oct 2015 #143

So true ellie Oct 2015 #156

TN was Democratic 10 years ago until the speaker of the House redstateblues Oct 2015 #34

Lots of people commenting without reading the article. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #44

I have heard that theory before. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #65

2006 proves you wrong. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #78

And they lost in 2010. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #84

And a good amount of liberals took a beating too. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #93

Right here. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #112

The gist of it is the Democrats are shitty at fighting infinite Repuke money mhatrw Oct 2015 #94

Overcynicism is as self-deceptive as none. More Americans vote Democrat than Hortensis Oct 2015 #133

The gist is that they haven't lost ground in liberal areas... Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #169

Yes, it is because they are too conservative. mhatrw Oct 2015 #170

lol that's a load. Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #174

lol treestar Oct 2015 #119

lol they were so eager to jump on what looks like bad news for Democrats treestar Oct 2015 #122

Its time for Debbie Wasserman Shultz to go - she let this happen AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #46

While we're worrying about the 2016 election... Initech Oct 2015 #48

the road to hell is paved with good intentions captainarizona Oct 2015 #49

I have posted what you posted a 100 times. former9thward Oct 2015 #71

Kick. Agschmid Oct 2015 #50

This is the concern I've been trying to get through SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #52

Present an alternative to corporatist democrats then. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #73

That's what you got from what I wrote? SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #75

In 2014's two elections in CA, 61% and 69% of votes were cast by mail. Easy to do. Here in Oregon Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #124

This is what Debbie Wasserman Shultz wants, focus on the key states, fuck everyone else whereisjustice Oct 2015 #54

Very well stated. nt malokvale77 Oct 2015 #113

I think the best paragraph in the piece... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #60

And the Third Way "limousine liberals" driving the Democratic Party off a cliff... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #63

They WANT what America has become. mhatrw Oct 2015 #95

You got it! gregcrawford Oct 2015 #105

Thanks for the tune. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #114

Rahm Emmanuel has already said what the RW of the Party thinks of the left. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #64

Will the party only be about white house ? Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #68

I agree...my wife and I are targeting support for State Houses and Legislatures... brooklynite Oct 2015 #69

I have been screaming on this board and on all other boards i post on about state and local kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #72

this is why I hate the single-minded focus on the presidential race Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #74

You're right. I wonder if the internet has helped make the national scene Codeine Oct 2015 #77

Good point, I think that's part of it for sure. Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #104

amen! treestar Oct 2015 #118

it seems like the Dems attract a lot more superficial voters Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #172

That's the worst since the 1800s jfern Oct 2015 #81

This article is nonsense, and Ed Shultz is full of sh*t. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #83

This is a fundamental problem with Democrats BainsBane Oct 2015 #96

Yes, but fixable. Let's auto-register everyone at 18 as HRC plans. Hortensis Oct 2015 #135

I just saw this article via duckduckgo's Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #98

This is the problem. The party let too many things go in pursuing one office. mmonk Oct 2015 #110

Agreed... Xyzse Oct 2015 #123

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #125

Agree! UCmeNdc Oct 2015 #132

Both major parties are in deep trouble.... marmar Oct 2015 #144

I agree, it never occurs to them that we want change and won't vote them out. Rex Oct 2015 #153

I have been looking at all of these remarks and I substantially Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #155

The Democratic party hasn't been interested in spreading traditional Democratic Party principles ... raindaddy Oct 2015 #157

we live in a very conservative area of orange county SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #158

Yet the GOP is doing great? BlueStater Oct 2015 #162