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Octafish

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75. Escalation of hypotheses, each revealing more plausible deniability.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:17 PM
Oct 2015

Soon, there won't be anything left, except what Conan Doyle observed...

"You will not apply my precept," he said, shaking his head. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? We know that he did not come through the door, the window, or the chimney. We also know that he could not have been concealed in the room, as there is no concealment possible. When, then, did he come?" -- The Sign of the Four, ch. 6 (1890)


Sounds like someone wanted to blame Dallas on the commies and started planning so long before November 22, 1963:



CIA FILES AND THE PRE-ASSASSINATION
FRAMING OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD


by

Peter Dale Scott

This piece was originally published in: Deep Politics II: Essays on Oswald, Mexico and Cuba (Essay completed March, 1994)

Were CIA Files Manipulated to Prepare the Way for the Warren Commission?

The U.S. media responded to the 30th anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination by reviving the Warren Commission picture of Lee Harvey Oswald as a neurotic frustrated by neglect, and "angered" (in the words of Gerald Posner) "that others failed to recognize the stature he thought he deserved." (1) The newly released government files, we were assured, would add nothing to this picture.

In fact the recently released documents tell us a great deal that is new, and important, not so much about Lee Oswald the man, who remains mysterious, but about "Lee Oswald" the file subject. The man may or may not have been neglected, but the file subject was the focus of sustained governmental interest. This lasted from the time of his alleged defection in 1959, and was particularly active in the crucial eight weeks preceding the President's murder.

The clearest new picture of this sustained interest comes from the files of the CIA, the fullest new release that we have to date. Although the CIA had professedly no intelligence interest in Oswald the man, incoming FBI documents on "Lee Oswald" the file subject were always distributed to widely scattered sections of the CIA's Counterintelligence Staff, from a minimum of four persons in different sections, to as many as eleven. At least two FBI documents on "Lee Harvey Oswald" were reviewed by SAS/CI/Control, in the Counterintelligence section of the CIA's anti-Castro Special Affairs Staff, on November 21, 1963, the day before the assassination.

These details by themselves prove nothing. More serious is the evidence that the CIA files were being fed false information from without, while in the same period CIA officers were further distorting and falsifying the Oswald file with additional false information from inside, both prior to the assassination and subsequent to it. (2) The cover-up in this area can presumably be taken as an indication of some important issue at stake.

With the new releases, the number of unanswered questions about "Lee Oswald" the file subject is now greater, not less, than before. However one hypothesis at the center seems more and more reasonable. This is that the CIA's files were being both fed and doctored in late 1963 to present a continuous flow of apparent evidence, always plausible but never conclusive, and above all never true, that Oswald was a possible agent of Soviet or Cuban intelligence.

CONTINUED...

http://www.assassinationweb.com/scottc.htm



Thus with Secret Government, things, like policies, and people, like Presidents, get superseded...

"It is inconceivable that a secret intelligence arm of the government has to comply with all the overt orders of the government." - CIA CounterIntelligence head James Angleton, in testimony to the Church Committee.


So, as Bertrand Russell first asked, if there's no state agency angle to the assassination, why the need for all the state secrecy?
This is no surprise. Even back in the day, there were very few Arkansas Granny Oct 2015 #1
Remarkable, considering how Corporate McPravda has only played the lone nut tune since Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Oct 2015 #5
K & R MoreGOPoop Oct 2015 #15
The Safari Club Octafish Nov 2015 #85
"Deep State" MoreGOPoop Nov 2015 #90
I have never believed that the two assinations were a jwirr Oct 2015 #30
Absolutely, jwirr: The nation and world have not been the same since. Octafish Nov 2015 #86
I know and thank you for this info. I wonder what we would jwirr Nov 2015 #88
I never did. I was 22 when JFK was killed. trof Oct 2015 #45
was it not commonly known in 1963 that the CIA worked with the mafia? GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #2
No. Neither were the CIA-Mafia assassination contracts on Castro and Cuban leadership. Octafish Oct 2015 #6
Thank You Bobcat Oct 2015 #11
The CIA Admitted To Lying About JFK’s Assassination, But No One Really Noticed Octafish Nov 2015 #87
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #3
What President Truman wrote about CIA very much concerned Allen Dulles... Octafish Oct 2015 #8
Duh! malaise Oct 2015 #4
Prescott Bush wrote to Clover Dulles... Octafish Oct 2015 #26
Thanks Octafish malaise Oct 2015 #29
You are most welcome, malaise! Octafish Oct 2015 #38
Important info crucial to understanding today's deep state. K&R! nt riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #7
The Origins of the Overclass Octafish Oct 2015 #39
Recommended. panader0 Oct 2015 #9
CIA hid Mafia assassination program by claiming ''Top Secret'' Octafish Oct 2015 #40
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters IDemo Oct 2015 #10
That video.... CanSocDem Oct 2015 #32
I believe Gerald Ford said before he died lovuian Oct 2015 #12
A book deal thing... Octafish Oct 2015 #50
For a change this won't get locked as conspiracy Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #13
The issue is truth. Octafish Oct 2015 #18
OMG, not again! Getting old! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #20
That's your opinion. Octafish Oct 2015 #24
Oswald did it but keep up the dream. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #25
That's what Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover said. Octafish Oct 2015 #27
OH FFS, i get it that CTs are fun, but give it up! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #28
I won't give up, as I think perpetrators are still at large. Octafish Oct 2015 #34
LOL! I find it funny how sad some are here that they cannot allow others to talk Rex Oct 2015 #41
+1 dmr Oct 2015 #70
Then just keep fucking scrolling Oilwellian Oct 2015 #68
Lol, there is a dedicated forum for this stuff. Lok for it. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #72
is it not appropriate discussion restorefreedom Oct 2015 #78
I found John Davis' "Mafia Kingfisher: Carlos Marcello and the and the Assassination of John F. ... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #58
"What the agency believed was the 'best truth' whathehell Oct 2015 #14
THAT is the crux of the dilemma: Secret Government does not trump the Constitution. Octafish Oct 2015 #35
We were lying before, but we're telling the truth now. Honest. Case closed. Karmadillo Oct 2015 #16
My Q: If they obstructed justice in the context of the JFK assassination... Octafish Oct 2015 #37
K&R Go Vols Oct 2015 #17
One of the most complete reports on the story... Octafish Oct 2015 #49
No wonder he did that. lonestarnot Oct 2015 #19
POLITICO as the fountainhead is interesting, too. Octafish Oct 2015 #52
It really doesn't matter unless McCone suppressed material evidence struggle4progress Oct 2015 #21
Which is exactly what McCone did. Octafish Oct 2015 #53
Re: this conspiracy theory... YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #22
Consistent with Talbot’s claims JFK’s policies did pose a dire threat to “deep power” interests MinM Oct 2015 #33
I cannot wait to read that book. hifiguy Oct 2015 #42
JFK v Allen W Dulles part ii MinM Oct 2015 #51
K&R! Thanks for the thread, octafish! Also, thanks for your tireless dedication to exposing the Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #23
McCone had ties to Reagan Octafish Oct 2015 #60
Where is your...ahem!...fan club? nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #31
They pretend I'm supposed to side with Dean Wormer. Octafish Oct 2015 #61
Allen Dulles, the very man Kennedy fired for the Bay of Pigs fiasco hifiguy Oct 2015 #36
Dulles knew Bay of Pigs Operation was COMPROMISED, yet gave it his blessing... Octafish Oct 2015 #62
A JFK post on October 14?! KamaAina Oct 2015 #43
You don't like JFK? Octafish Oct 2015 #63
Love him, but DU's annual JFK-fest doesn't usually start intil next month KamaAina Oct 2015 #66
Thanks, KamaAina! Octafish Oct 2015 #67
N.B. The Moonies now own UPI. KamaAina Oct 2015 #44
(U) DCI John McCone and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy - David Robarge Octafish Oct 2015 #46
UPI MinM Oct 2015 #48
k & r & thanks! Ignore the anti-truth brigade here as I do wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #47
Justice stepped up for Plutocracy Octafish Oct 2015 #65
The Murder of JFK: Another Puzzle Piece Solved eridani Oct 2015 #54
''...the JFK case is being solved, thanks largely to the brute force of the power of the Internet.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #55
The Murder of JFK, Part 2: Counterfeit ID Planted in Oswald's Wallet? eridani Oct 2015 #56
When was the planted wallet discussed in Warren Report or on television? Octafish Oct 2015 #71
k&r nt bananas Oct 2015 #57
Winchester 2525 Octafish Oct 2015 #69
What's Winchester 2525? bananas Oct 2015 #79
Exactly: Fusing Winchester '73 and ''In the Year 2525''... Octafish Oct 2015 #80
The JFK, RFK, Hoover, Mob connections may hit Broadway soon.... Gloria Oct 2015 #59
Seymour Hersh got taken in by someone foisting disinformation. Octafish Oct 2015 #73
Reznikoff and Hersh hoodwinked by fake documents | The Education Forum MinM Oct 2015 #74
''He made mistakes he didn't know he could make...(or)...suspect.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #76
Play's run is over...btw, it touched on how the Gloria Oct 2015 #77
A 'benign cover up'...wow they sling the bullshit fast and hard! Rex Oct 2015 #64
Escalation of hypotheses, each revealing more plausible deniability. Octafish Oct 2015 #75
k&r nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #81
Lisa Pease: Checkmate on the Devil's Chessboard Octafish Nov 2015 #82
Operation Northwoods ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #83
DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961. Octafish Nov 2015 #84
Funny how one sentence ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #89
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