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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Conspiracies In Action.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:04 PM
Oct 2015

HERBLOCK noted back in '77...



Why Secret Law Is Un-American

The system established by the U.S. Constitution requires an informed electorate.

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
The Atlantic, JAN 3, 2014

In recent years, the National Security Agency has relied on secret interpretations of the law to justify its actions, as noted in The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and a letter that 26 U.S. senators wrote complaining that "the 'business records' provision of the Patriot Act has been secretly reinterpreted." NSA defenders are fond of saying that its activities are legitimized and overseen by all three branches of government. This elides the distinction between Congress as a body and small subcommittees with access to classified information: A subcommittee can be quietly co-opted in a way that Congress cannot.

The notion of a secret body of law is incompatible with the American system of government. Understanding why is as easy as consulting the Federalist Papers, the most thorough explanation the Framers gave us of their republican design and its logic.

The House of Representatives is meant to be responsive to ever-changing popular opinion in the country's many congressional districts. "As it is essential to liberty that the government in general should have a common interest with the people, so it is particularly essential that the branch of it under consideration should have an immediate dependence on, and an intimate sympathy with, the people," James Madison wrote in Federalist 52. "Frequent elections are unquestionably the only policy by which this dependence and sympathy can be effectually secured."

What good are frequent elections if the people are ignorant as to the actual policies their representatives have put into place? National-security state apologists would prefer a system whereby the people elect representatives and trust them to act judiciously in secret. The design of the House presupposes constant reevaluation of a legislator's actions. Americans watching the debate over reauthorizing the Patriot Act couldn't meaningfully lobby or evaluate the performance of their representative. They didn't know the law had been secretly interpreted to allow mass surveillance. The secret interpretation subverted the ability of the people to evaluate their representatives.

The secrecy surrounding surveillance law also meant that many House members themselves were ignorant of what they were voting upon, sometimes because they failed to take advantage of secret briefings, other times because they were incapable of understanding the content of those briefings without outside help, and still other times because the national-security state deliberately withheld information.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/why-secret-law-is-un-american/282786/

Thank you for grokking, PatrickforO. Secret Government also is unaccountable, including the parts about "who benefits" from secret policies and action?

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Clearly this happened accidentally on purpose. marmar Oct 2015 #1
The CIA Is Still Refusing to Release Its Files on This Alleged War Criminal Octafish Oct 2015 #4
Thanks for sharing all this tblue Oct 2015 #82
lol. maybe it was abducted by aliens uhnope Oct 2015 #55
I guess we can't call it a conspiracy theory, eh? PatrickforO Oct 2015 #2
Conspiracies In Action. Octafish Oct 2015 #15
it's so insanely un-democratic and contrary to our supposed principles... Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #53
could those bastards be any more obvious??? niyad Oct 2015 #3
Why, yes. But Watergate break-ins are passe. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #7
''Sólo Dios estaba con nosotros.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #16
thank you for posting this, will have to watch later, though. niyad Oct 2015 #19
Good fucking god! Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #32
New York Times covered for illegal war... Octafish Oct 2015 #62
thanks, Octafish! librechik Oct 2015 #64
Because they know that they are bullet proof. christx30 Oct 2015 #20
^^^THIS^^^ Octafish Oct 2015 #24
La Penca Octafish Oct 2015 #34
Ed Meese was a criminal - stole the PROMIS software from Inslaw bananas Oct 2015 #59
this story was part of my early radicalization. grasswire Oct 2015 #85
Inslaw-PROMIS Octafish Oct 2015 #93
Yes they can. The next phase is that they come in the front door with guns and demand rhett o rick Oct 2015 #48
why should they librechik Oct 2015 #65
They will do it because they can. They are getting bolder and bolder and it's being normalized. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #69
it's normalized, all right--but how can you be bolder librechik Oct 2015 #70
Which president are you referring to? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #78
They've killed more than one. But the answer is the same. When the bullet has "property of the CIA" rhett o rick Oct 2015 #84
Note to self: tabasco Oct 2015 #5
With multiple back-ups in various locations. Downwinder Oct 2015 #6
and at an undisclosed location, with LOTS of redundancy and backup niyad Oct 2015 #9
That was the point of Wikileaks. leveymg Oct 2015 #51
& thumb drives Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #26
and, to all the silly Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #28
Our tax dollars at work. jalan48 Oct 2015 #8
hey, I remember CISPES--death-squad goons let into Los Angeles to rob what they could MisterP Oct 2015 #10
some reason? librechik Oct 2015 #11
CIA - Henchmen For American Empire - Know Thy Enemy cantbeserious Oct 2015 #12
Move along. Nothing to see here. Moral Compass Oct 2015 #13
COINCIDENCE. Completely random! How can you think otherwise? n/t TygrBright Oct 2015 #14
"...elements that make this an unusual incident" suffragette Oct 2015 #17
"The break-in coincided with a campus visit by CIA Director John Brennan" nt bananas Oct 2015 #61
Cover for Action. PeoViejo Oct 2015 #81
Yes, that definitely caught my eye. suffragette Oct 2015 #87
Quelle surprise! dorkzilla Oct 2015 #18
Maybe they did it to themselves ymetca Oct 2015 #21
F.F.I. FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #33
Like a false flag event? Octafish Oct 2015 #35
Oh, My... Thespian2 Oct 2015 #22
Something doesn't seem right about this story Zorro Oct 2015 #23
was witness documents, names?/statements?. Stuff the buglers can use to snuff 'witnesses' Sunlei Oct 2015 #42
Seems pretty farfetched to me Zorro Oct 2015 #45
Fortunately... CanSocDem Oct 2015 #63
Fortunately... Zorro Oct 2015 #75
Maybe the documents were from an unofficial source and therefore JDPriestly Oct 2015 #44
I doubt the CIA had any interest in burglarizing the place Zorro Oct 2015 #47
The CIA would not be the only group or the only person interested JDPriestly Oct 2015 #54
Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #80
I didn't realize "that most CIA documents are exempt from FOIA" Center for Human rights, Sunlei Oct 2015 #25
by determination, not by law. They just refuse, and journalists sue librechik Oct 2015 #72
Church Lady says> BlueJazz Oct 2015 #27
+1 nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #38
Is church lady still a repigliCON? lonestarnot Oct 2015 #67
Yeah, most likely. I've heard he was a Dem until he became famous and had some power. Figures. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #74
yep, pip squeak asshat. lonestarnot Oct 2015 #92
"and it is suspected that the CIA may have had something to do with the break-in" Matariki Oct 2015 #29
America is SUPPOSED to be a democracy... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #30
It all goes back to the Dulles Brothers, hifiguy Oct 2015 #41
Amen. gregcrawford Oct 2015 #52
Brudda, you got that SO right. hifiguy Oct 2015 #58
They are in the interests of shareholders. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #60
that's because you believe the US is a democracy of good will and fair intentions librechik Oct 2015 #71
No, I'm too old and seen too much to be that naive... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #73
Thanks Octafish 1norcal Oct 2015 #31
Just reserved a copy. Octafish Oct 2015 #88
Time to go back. silverweb Oct 2015 #36
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #37
"MAY have had something to do with the burglary." hifiguy Oct 2015 #39
Tide goes in, tide goes out; you can't explain that! graegoyle Oct 2015 #40
Let's hope they had scanned it all into electronic form. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #43
K&R. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #46
I am just shocked, shocked, I tell you! 2naSalit Oct 2015 #49
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #50
I have my doubts that this is what they think it is mythology Oct 2015 #56
the second goal is to terrorize the subject librechik Oct 2015 #66
Just wait long enough and they'll admit to coups and war crimes... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #57
"Some analysts" ronnie624 Oct 2015 #79
We've come a long way since Watergate. bemildred Oct 2015 #68
BFEE forever gains, thanks to official secrecy. Octafish Oct 2015 #91
Isn't that what happened to Michael Rupport (spelling?) author of Hotler Oct 2015 #76
this is so obviously and memorably what the CIA/etc does, it's modus operandus librechik Oct 2015 #77
we ought to have a pinned thread somewhere on DU... grasswire Oct 2015 #86
terrorists EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #83
Secret Government Benefits The Overclass Octafish Oct 2015 #89
Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #90
k&r nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #94
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