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AnneD

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137. Implied is not actual......

Fri May 25, 2012, 05:59 PM

May 2012

the parents consented to have the child examined. The doc prescribed the med...BUT THE PARENTS DID NOT GIVE ME PERMISSION TO GIVE THE MEDICATION. It has to be written permission. A child is a minor and therefore it is the parents that must give permission.

Another example. A kid needs shots for school. We have the van come to the school to give them. The parents want them for the kid but haven't signed the note. Sorry no can do, esp. not by verbal permission.

The van pulls up. The kids need the shots to stay in school but the parents haven't signed the permission. The kids are pulled out of class and given the shots anyway. How far do you think that will fly? Well there is a case in court over this same incident right now.

Permission has to be given. Parental rights are not terminated just because a child walks thought the school door-and neither does parental responsibility-such as signing a permission note.

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Nurse refuses student inhaler during asthma attack [View all] alp227 May 2012 OP

ABSOLUTELY agree with Turley here. elleng May 2012 #1

me too -- also emailing the principal at --->>> SHFREEMA@volusia.k12.fl.us nashville_brook May 2012 #57

That's nasty... FarPoint May 2012 #2

+1. She was thinking about her job and not her patient. freshwest May 2012 #9

Any child with the ability to dial 9-1-1 could have filled in for her that day Shampoobra May 2012 #79

Why did they not phone 911? tsuki May 2012 #139

Even if the school nurse believed she could not administer it... jberryhill May 2012 #3

+1. freshwest May 2012 #10

Excellent response. nt TBF May 2012 #19

Anybody who knows an asthma patient knows you're right Mimosa May 2012 #107

I agree. 911 should have been called. nt tsuki May 2012 #141

This is infuriating. That nurse should be fired. Why the hell didn't she call 911? pnwmom May 2012 #4

She should not just be fired, she should lose any license she has to practice. FiveGoodMen May 2012 #37

standing up for school nurses SCantiGOP May 2012 #116

They are so sued! longship May 2012 #5

I hope so. nt pnwmom May 2012 #6

Right. Igel Jun 2012 #171

So it's the parents fault? atreides1 Aug 2012 #177

Another fine example of Zero Tolerance policies run amok GObamaGO May 2012 #7

i have a mild asthma dembotoz May 2012 #8

If she wasn't going to give him his inhaler, the "nurse" should have call 911 notadmblnd May 2012 #11

This woman should lose her state license. PDJane May 2012 #12

She should face criminal charges. LeftyMom May 2012 #17

That's a little drastic,,,, FarPoint May 2012 #26

Watching a young person go into a full-blown asthma attack PDJane May 2012 #27

We have yet to hear the entire story... FarPoint May 2012 #29

Since the office still had the inhaler several days later LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #76

The school had the inhaler for how many days? LiberalFighter May 2012 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog May 2012 #105

you never had an asthma attack. I am guessing roguevalley May 2012 #71

Exactly PatSeg May 2012 #101

you and me both. My sister-in-law's sweet brother died of an roguevalley May 2012 #150

That is so sad PatSeg May 2012 #152

So, a prescription medication with the patient's name on it hifiguy May 2012 #13

Gomer had some sense. GoneOffShore May 2012 #15

Well, the instructions were on the bottom so... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #68

It sounds like they got the mom on the phone, and told the mom to come to the school... Ian David May 2012 #14

at the very least SemperEadem May 2012 #123

She had comments up on one of the articles LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #130

Yeah, some people in that school are in deep shit. n/t Ian David May 2012 #135

My child was having an asthma attack at school sense May 2012 #16

I wish I could say I disagree with your observation, truedelphi May 2012 #21

My daughter goes to a public school, and every time we talk to her principal... Ian David May 2012 #136

As a nurse bluedeminredstate May 2012 #18

I was thinking the same thing... the heck with corporate guidelines w8liftinglady May 2012 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author FarPoint May 2012 #35

For starters, confiscating the inhaler was ridiculous lolly May 2012 #39

THIS GObamaGO May 2012 #45

When I was in High School, an emergency inhaler was one of two prescription drugs... Ian David May 2012 #138

For someone concerned with waiting for all the facts... liberalmuse May 2012 #54

"waiting for the facts" usually means "I've made my decision and I'm going to guess The Truth." Posteritatis May 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog May 2012 #111

Yeah LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #65

The story just does not feel like we have all the facts. FarPoint May 2012 #67

My guess LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #75

Really? If you don't have all the facts, then why are you saying the student was a faker? CreekDog May 2012 #112

You say not so fast, we need facts, but ---FarPoint: 35. I think the teen went into drama mode.. CreekDog May 2012 #113

Well maybe because LaurenG Aug 2012 #173

well they say that these days we'll have several careers in our CreekDog Aug 2012 #175

Here we go again... Another authoritarian blaming the victim. backscatter712 May 2012 #69

Ahhhh.... FarPoint May 2012 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author LaurenG Aug 2012 #174

Thanks Dr. Frist CreekDog May 2012 #106

you've never had an asthma attack SemperEadem May 2012 #124

An asthma attack is not drama mode. LiberalAndProud May 2012 #164

she literally locked him in a room as he collapsed...locked him up!! nashville_brook May 2012 #59

That is so right. Chemisse May 2012 #149

Even a child would know to call 911 if you see TBF May 2012 #20

My daughter keeps a spare inhaler hidden in her backpack for just such stupidity. JoePhilly May 2012 #22

that's really smart of you! renate May 2012 #30

I grew up with asthma as a kid ... before inhalers were being used widely. JoePhilly May 2012 #36

Much better nurse than that robot in the OP. (nt) Posteritatis May 2012 #33

+ 40 Billion SmileyRose May 2012 #34

I let my kids in high school marlakay May 2012 #23

I'm glad the parents are suing over that kind of malice. Posteritatis May 2012 #24

There were differences in the last situation discussed here jberryhill May 2012 #25

Tort action and medical malpractice. nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #28

Looks like common sense has flown out the window in some of these cases! secondwind May 2012 #31

They must sue. And the nurse should lose her license. McCamy Taylor May 2012 #38

I'm a retired nurse - saving emilyg May 2012 #40

Please don't hold it against me skydive forever May 2012 #41

This nurse makes Nurse Ratched look motherly Smilo May 2012 #42

We don't have all the facts... FarPoint May 2012 #43

FarPoint, why are you going to such lengths to defend this person? bupkus May 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author FarPoint May 2012 #62

Since you ignored everything, Occulus May 2012 #80

OP is not "defending this person." treestar May 2012 #89

FP's presuming the worst of the victim/victim's mother. (nt) Posteritatis May 2012 #91

That article is almost entirely quotes of Rudi and his mother treestar May 2012 #97

Thank you.... FarPoint May 2012 #92

Why do you imply that the teen was not in distress? intheflow May 2012 #95

You have mentioned that upthread GObamaGO May 2012 #47

Panic can bring on an acute attack--and can do so suddenly. tblue37 May 2012 #83

I would say the phrase "happened conveniently" isn't a particularly impartial way... CBHagman May 2012 #146

When my son broke his wrist, the nurse sent him back to class. silverweb May 2012 #44

That's awful! peace13 Aug 2012 #178

Terrible. silverweb Aug 2012 #179

My daughter has asthma and the same thing happened to her during her freshman year. The school firenewt May 2012 #48

I sincerely hope they sue LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #49

The problem is not just this nurse, sadly. Odin2005 May 2012 #58

THis is a huge problem Mojorabbit May 2012 #87

One question that bears asking: wial May 2012 #50

Oh, don't you know? It's a DRUUUUUG Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #53

I'd say no reason not to administer the inhaler... FarPoint May 2012 #64

I'm sorry--I have to say this, FarPoint. tblue37 May 2012 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author FarPoint May 2012 #88

BTW - The word you want is "its" COLGATE4 May 2012 #98

bwah ha ha!! SemperEadem May 2012 #127

communication is key SemperEadem May 2012 #126

No, I have to disagree with your final comemnt. tblue37 May 2012 #151

They're there and their BlueToTheBone May 2012 #94

I used to volunteer at a radio station that was located on a high school campus Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #51

apparently they have a zero-tolerance policy...for rationality nashville_brook May 2012 #52

This is why people who say "I was just following the rules"... Odin2005 May 2012 #55

People who say "I was just following the rules"... FiveGoodMen May 2012 #163

They were covering their asses at the expense of the student... cynatnite May 2012 #56

If I was that nurse - I would be willing to get fired for giving him his inhaler. jillan May 2012 #60

Florida The Wizard May 2012 #61

Of course it was in Florida! midnight armadillo May 2012 #78

this is because 504 plans are about filling out the paper work and putting it in the drawer. mopinko May 2012 #63

My cousin died during an asthma attack. Swede May 2012 #66

Time for the regularly-scheduled daily hate. HiPointDem May 2012 #72

interesting. story in WESH has comments by the mother in the comment section w8liftinglady May 2012 #73

WTF? From one of the comments, and posted publicly liberalhistorian May 2012 #77

Shame on Nurse Hilda Blue Owl May 2012 #74

OMG. If that had happened to my son, who has truly severe asthma, he would have tblue37 May 2012 #81

That's gonna hurt a little bit when the Board of Nursing makes its ruling on it Horse with no Name May 2012 #82

I've served on Peer Review Horse with no Name May 2012 #85

Florida nurses are subject to discipline by the Florida Board of Nursing. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #84

Here is and update by MSNBC... FarPoint May 2012 #93

Yes, the school backpedeling and saying it wasn't so bad is proof they did the right thing. intheflow May 2012 #96

The school administrator is at fault, not the nurse. They found the kid ON THE FLOOR in his office. SunSeeker May 2012 #121

On a related topic, why don't BadgerKid May 2012 #99

Can't teach? GeorgeGist May 2012 #100

The nurse was following state law obamanut2012 May 2012 #102

Link to Volusia County info obamanut2012 May 2012 #103

Thank you. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #104

Thanks for the cool head... AnneD May 2012 #110

If you have a profession where you need a license to practice it obamanut2012 May 2012 #133

The more I hear about this.... AnneD May 2012 #140

Good info. I'm fine with taking back my other posts if this was not an emergency. CreekDog May 2012 #114

Great research... FarPoint May 2012 #148

As a school nurse.... AnneD May 2012 #108

I question whether or not this school 'nurse' was actually a nurse azurnoir May 2012 #118

I do believe I read that... AnneD May 2012 #119

what I meant about the prescription label was that the medication was clearly prescribed by an MD azurnoir May 2012 #120

No... AnneD May 2012 #128

your blaming the parent? there was a form on file it was deemed outdated azurnoir May 2012 #131

Implied is not actual...... AnneD May 2012 #137

giving shots is different isn't it? and as a CMA I am quite experienced azurnoir May 2012 #142

I am not sure about your state laws but.... AnneD May 2012 #157

my scope of pratice is determined by the MD azurnoir May 2012 #160

It is true.... AnneD May 2012 #162

No, it wasn;t implied -- state law requires a signed consent as well as obamanut2012 May 2012 #143

there was a signed form on file it was deemed outdated azurnoir May 2012 #145

There was no current signed form nor doctor acknowledgement of the script obamanut2012 May 2012 #153

so you defend the so called 'nurse' watching the kid collapse? and that's ethical in your mind? azurnoir May 2012 #156

Anne, I don't doubt that the legal framework is a minefield. LiberalAndProud May 2012 #165

This is why I question the story.... AnneD May 2012 #166

I needed to be reminded of how we are informed by our own experiences. LiberalAndProud May 2012 #167

This is why I have been so adamant on this thread..... AnneD May 2012 #169

The schools around here only have an RN or LPN on duty two days a week GObamaGO May 2012 #144

She is an LPN and she was following state law obamanut2012 May 2012 #134

The posters/nurses who say they care more about their licenses than people's lives... just1voice May 2012 #115

I worked damn hard for my license AnneD May 2012 #125

what would you have done in this instance? SemperEadem May 2012 #129

No... AnneD May 2012 #132

Also, it is the highest-rank available administraor who calls 911 obamanut2012 May 2012 #155

Thank you for your Nursing Service. FarPoint May 2012 #147

Oh yes, all the nurses have said that obamanut2012 May 2012 #154

It take a special type of person..... AnneD May 2012 #158

They should expect a lawsuit no matter which choice they made, BanzaiBonnie May 2012 #117

so instead of dialing 911, you just sat there and watched the child have the attack? SemperEadem May 2012 #122

Sick woman. BlueIris May 2012 #159

Minor functionary automoton without the good sense or spine to make the correct choice of action. Stinky The Clown May 2012 #161

We like to set policy by lawsuits in this country 4th law of robotics May 2012 #168

I don't blame lawyers.... AnneD May 2012 #170

Good Samaratin or Force Majeure law would have protected emergency action by nurse Mimosa Jun 2012 #172

It really amazes me the stupidity of human beings Drale Aug 2012 #176