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Decoy of Fenris

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78. Again, I'm not particularly understanding your point.

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:49 PM

Oct 2015

"Shoot people with stuff" forum or not, a valid point of discussion should not be inherently disregarded solely based on who is proposing the point or from whence that point originated. Given that there is no current forum or subforum dedicated to self defense and all its associated spheres, the idea has to come from -somewhere-. Whether it comes from RKBA or the BOG or the HRC group or GCRA is irrelevant, so long as the proposal has merit and is following proper procedures. The simple fact is, many of the detractors of the potential SD group are opposed to it -solely- based on the potential participants. You can see that by glancing downthread.

It'd be an honor and a privledge, should Darkangel have me, to assist in the development of the TOS for the potential Self Defense group. If there's sufficient interest, I'm sure making the TOS itself available to DU as a whole would be no issue assuming people are willing to give the idea a chance. You have to admit though, even if every one of us Gungeonfolk proposed a "World Peace" subforum, many of the same detractors here would be shouting down the idea citing potential ulterior motives.

And as I mentioned, I'm not sure there'd be a large enough interest in ... Actually, with the rise of MMA, there may very well be enough support to start up a martial arts group... We only need what, fifteen? Twenty?

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How many gun groups does this "discussion" board need? villager Oct 2015 #1

Not all self defense sarisataka Oct 2015 #2

Sure. I imagine the folks advocating for the new group can't wait to discuss their judo moves villager Oct 2015 #3

Okinawan Goju-Ryu, thank you kindly. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #4

And I'm sure you've been chomping at the bit in the gungeon to discuss that, instead villager Oct 2015 #5

Gungeon for guns. Currently nothing for Self-Defense or martial arts in general. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #6

Then start a martial arts group. Since the stated purpose for "self defense" was that the gungeon villager Oct 2015 #8

I very well may. That said, Self Defense is a different animal and should have its own subforum. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #11

"Self defense" is currently just an attempt to reboot the gungeon. Change the actual gungeon villager Oct 2015 #14

Have you considered for a moment that you're just wrong? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #19

Hence the discussion being floated in the gungeon? villager Oct 2015 #20

So if the idea was floated in CS or the BOG, the point would be more valid? n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #24

Actually, yes. Given how little validity the gungeon has. villager Oct 2015 #25

Well, sadly, if I were to post in those forums, it'd also break SOP. So that's a no-go. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #27

If it's really going to be mostly martial arts, perhaps you can propose under "sports" for now villager Oct 2015 #32

I never said it'd be all martial arts; That's just one facet. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #35

And it will be one of the least important facets, once you brandish your gun discussions villager Oct 2015 #37

Why bother? The Gungeon is fine as it is. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #41

"The gungeon is fine as it is." villager Oct 2015 #44

You can't discuss "Self defense" because it's not part of the SOP. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #48

But wait -- one of the great apologias for gun proliferation is *self defense* villager Oct 2015 #53

I'm failing to see your point. What's that got to do with a Self Defense group? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #54

Self-defense with weapons can be discussed in RKBA. Start a martial arts group for martial arts. villager Oct 2015 #70

Support groups, training, counselling, domestic violence issues... Want me to continue? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #74

Except that it was proposed in the "shoot people with stuff" forum villager Oct 2015 #77

Again, I'm not particularly understanding your point. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #78

Clearly, there's little point in us going round and round until a TOS is developed/proposed villager Oct 2015 #80

I'd agree with that. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #82

The lack of civility -- as predictable as tomorrow's sun -- finally made me trash the Gungeon. villager Oct 2015 #85

Well, here's to hoping we can make something positive for DU. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #88

Actually, it was first proposed in ATA. N/T beevul Oct 2015 #207

The author of the idea proposes a safe haven away from anti-self defense folks. beevul Oct 2015 #12

^^ This is the obvious truth. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #22

I think for some... beevul Oct 2015 #43

I do Okinawan Goju-ryu Bonobo Oct 2015 #182

Sadly, no. I've been out of the game for a while, but if I pick it up again, I will be. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #185

Actually there are sarisataka Oct 2015 #7

Good. Let's start a "martial arts" group, specifically villager Oct 2015 #9

The throw is a good basic move REP Oct 2015 #59

and anyone can do it sarisataka Oct 2015 #61

Throw, basic deflection, grip-breaks, all valid and useful. Good topics to discuss. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #62

Jury results: arcane1 Oct 2015 #18

Well, that alert pretty much proves what the "new" forum will really be about villager Oct 2015 #23

You see right through them. I do too. They want DU to become another ar-15.com. Fuck that. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #34

They want to just keep renaming the gungeon to keep forcing their discussions on everyone else villager Oct 2015 #39

"Expressing opinions I disagree with" is not the same as forcing discussion on others friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #100

Funny Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #108

That's because we don't think we're somehow above the rules of DU... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #118

Yes the ones that seem to complain Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #169

Well consider sarisataka Oct 2015 #117

or the favorite group of those proposing the "new" one villager Oct 2015 #134

But who was it sarisataka Oct 2015 #138

We are not the people spamming GD with gun threads. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #163

I would like that :-) -nt Bradical79 Oct 2015 #52

Too bad more of you guys don't realize that when you strap a gun on to go Hoyt Oct 2015 #10

If I strapped on sarisataka Oct 2015 #31

Can of beans or a staff are all you will likely need if you are really interested in self-defense. Hoyt Oct 2015 #45

Interesting you talking about self defence as a 'former" robber.. virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #55

Read it in context. Most of you gunners aren't perceptive/lucid enough to be carrying among us. Hoyt Oct 2015 #60

And you aren't remotely qualified to make that judgement. beevul Oct 2015 #64

Yeah, those who need a gun in their pants to walk down the street Hoyt Oct 2015 #83

More astute than former robbers who can't remember being told in multiples... beevul Oct 2015 #87

Those are your words Hoyt, GGJohn Oct 2015 #101

I used it to make a point with gun nuts making an ignorant assumption why Hoyt Oct 2015 #131

So IOW, you lied. GGJohn Oct 2015 #137

Again, I used it to make a point with people who carry gunz and Hoyt Oct 2015 #142

So, in context, you lied about being a robber. GGJohn Oct 2015 #146

GG, go fondle you gunz. Hoyt Oct 2015 #149

Just about what I expected of you Hoyt, GGJohn Oct 2015 #153

Were you lying at the time? If so, why should we believe you now? If not,... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #145

Used it to make a point with gun lovers, some of whom still beliece Zman is a responsible Hoyt Oct 2015 #147

Given that admission, why should you be believed about *anything*... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #151

I basically asked him the same question and his reply GGJohn Oct 2015 #156

that's all they have Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #171

Under water no less. beevul Oct 2015 #157

so you admit you lied Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #170

"Lied" to make a point to you gunners who lay awake at night trying to think of scenarios Hoyt Oct 2015 #172

yep, seems you lied and now admit it Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #184

Right. You lied. Supposedly to make a point... beevul Oct 2015 #191

Sometimes you just gotta try to get through to people who dream of using their gun on someone. Hoyt Oct 2015 #204

As if theres anyone on DU who fits that description. N/T beevul Oct 2015 #206

Well, this just proves my point, GGJohn Oct 2015 #208

As long as my day sarisataka Oct 2015 #56

I understand that you'd prefer there be just one 'safe haven' group ---- pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #15

Who cares? pintobean Oct 2015 #26

I go there about once a month Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #173

Are the Gungeoneers seeking to take over DU MohRokTah Oct 2015 #13

See post #15 :-) NT pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #16

They're probably upset that so many have their favorite topic forum on "ignore" villager Oct 2015 #17

Agreed. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #21

"I have little to no respect for gun humpers." pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #28

You'll notice only one group brought up guns. It's like they have some sort of fetish for them... nt Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #29

Why would I care what they think? MohRokTah Oct 2015 #30

Good! The lack of concern is mutual! pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #33

Fine, take this crap back to the Gungeon then. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #36

Keep your hate flowing, "pardner".......... pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #38

This thread is MEta and violates GD SOP. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #40

Lies. This OP is within SOP. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #42

This thread was posted by someone on the anti-gun side. N/t beevul Oct 2015 #46

To bring attention to the gunthusiasts proposal for a safe haven gun lovers group, of course. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #49

And we're glad for the attention. There's a lot of folks who support the right to defend one's self. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #50

I get that you'd rather not see one for self defense. beevul Oct 2015 #57

You are blatantly lying about your (and the other gunthusiasts) real reason for supporting it. Electric Monk Oct 2015 #58

Thats dangerously close to calling me a liar ElMo. beevul Oct 2015 #63

Seems like a good time for me to clean out the blocked list for GCRA.... Electric Monk Oct 2015 #65

Are you removing the ones you blocked for self-deleted posts too? N/T beevul Oct 2015 #66

I don't understand the question. Juries delete posts, not group hosts. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #67

Posters self delete posts. You blocked me for a self deleted post, without ever seeing the content. beevul Oct 2015 #69

Irrelevant. Your position is clear, and totally contrary to the GCRA SOP. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #72

Nice try. beevul Oct 2015 #76

stretched past the breaking point Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #178

That should be embarrassing Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #176

and real hosts moderate insulting posts Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #177

well, he does think he is host Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #175

You lot are great at finding cartoons, and poor at getting actual voters to agree with you friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #90

Hilarious, coming from the Jim Webb wing of the Democratic Party. How's that working out for you? Electric Monk Oct 2015 #104

When Mother Jones, of all media outlets, is saying the same thing I am... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #112

I dunno- how's handing the Colorado state Senate to Republicans been working out? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #141

LOL. GGJohn Oct 2015 #109

The Gungeon is the favorite group of the OP, who also is a host of the GCRA group friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #127

So you think safe havens are a bad idea? hack89 Oct 2015 #164

I think worshipping guns is a bad idea Electric Monk Oct 2015 #166

Cartoons and comedians - the intellectual foundation of DU gun control hack89 Oct 2015 #167

Thats nice, but nobody hereabouts 'worships' guns... beevul Oct 2015 #168

One of those gun groups is a safe haven for gun control members, GGJohn Oct 2015 #106

even a single self deleted post! Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #179

There's only one??? ileus Oct 2015 #125

just one Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #174

The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership - Guns Are More Likely To Do Harm Than Good Electric Monk Oct 2015 #47

A great topic for a Self Defense group! Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #68

Actually, it already gets discussed in DU, for those gungeoneers who venture into daylight. villager Oct 2015 #71

Cool. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #79

I'm not likely to un-trash the gungeon anytime soon. villager Oct 2015 #81

Jumping in on the "Local" gun homicide thing... Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #84

Interesting that you concede there are so many gun homicides it would "clutter" the forums. villager Oct 2015 #86

I wasn't talking about homicides; I was talking about all local news. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #91

Perhaps then, being a national issue, we should set aside sophistry about the gun violence then? villager Oct 2015 #92

Well, that's my point, mate. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #95

"most 'local gun stories' don't matter" villager Oct 2015 #96

It's a matter of perspective, mate. Sadly, our views can never cross. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #98

Well, certainly seeing it as "inevitable" keeps you from having to advocate any real solutions villager Oct 2015 #105

Contrarily, I support full and total solutions. None of them involve guns. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #110

Yes. Address everything *but* the guns. villager Oct 2015 #114

Because they're not the problem. They're a symptom. Realizing that is the first step to progress. nt Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #116

and cigarettes don't cause cancer, people choosing to smoke them does Electric Monk Oct 2015 #126

Oh, Elmo... How I wish I could see the world through your innocent, wide eyes. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #129

At least I don't see it through your condescending ones! villager Oct 2015 #136

Come now, Villager. I respond like for like. You were civil to me, I was civil back. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #139

"Elmo" is like for like? (Or was that not directed at me?) villager Oct 2015 #181

Elmo is short for Electronic Monk. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #190

Calling me Elmo is clearly intended to be rude. If you want shorthand use EM. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #192

If you ask it, then it will be so, E.M. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #194

An instructive mistake on my part then, but I appreciate the acknowledgement villager Oct 2015 #193

Everyone makes mistakes, mate. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #195

I wasn't (just) talking about on DU... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #148

Lizzie, you are one of the few gunners not on my own ignore list -- because you actually do discuss villager Oct 2015 #187

Just let me know when it's up and going... Iggo Oct 2015 #51

San Diego's a nice little town. But is it worth a whole forum? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #73

SD stands for 'Spasmodic dysphonia'. randome Oct 2015 #75

Off topic, GGJohn Oct 2015 #113

Oh, golly shucks! randome Oct 2015 #140

Why do you care so much? hack89 Oct 2015 #89

He may actually find the idea has merit. Gods know he's giving us great publicity. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #93

Thats not the fear. beevul Oct 2015 #99

X-posting from the gungeon to GD? pintobean Oct 2015 #94

A nifty little workaround to "No guns in GD", ne? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #97

Thanks for conceding that it really is just about guns, with self-defence simply a pretence. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #107

Simple. SecMo cross-posts, the GCRA loonies swarm and make it about guns. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #111

So... pintobean Oct 2015 #132

Hammer, nail, head, and all that. beevul Oct 2015 #143

You already have thehighroad.org, ar-15.com, nationalgunforum.com, firearmstalk.com, etc. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #150

I do? beevul Oct 2015 #155

All of which are explicitly about guns, not general self-defense, and also tend to regard even... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #162

Hammer, nail, head. beevul Oct 2015 #165

They strenuously object pintobean Oct 2015 #158

I'm up for an SSD group IDemo Oct 2015 #102

I was hoping that was the joke you were going for. :P n/tB Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #103

SSD? johnp3907 Oct 2015 #189

No more gun groups! B Calm Oct 2015 #115

i guess if he wants more paranoid wingnuts JI7 Oct 2015 #119

Is self defense limited sarisataka Oct 2015 #120

when it's mostly gun nuts and needing a forum for it JI7 Oct 2015 #121

That sounds like yes /nt sarisataka Oct 2015 #122

So does anyone have any actual objection of substance to a Self Defense Group? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #123

self defense from what ? JI7 Oct 2015 #130

Domestic Violence, Rape, Robbery, Theft, Home Invasions, Assault, Battery, et cetera. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #133

aren't those crimes ? JI7 Oct 2015 #159

Of course. Does that invalidate the need for effective defense against them? n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #160

i just think of people like george zimmerman JI7 Oct 2015 #161

And I think of people like Taja DeJesus. Different priorities, I guess. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #183

so it is about victim blaming as the other poster said JI7 Oct 2015 #186

Wanting people to be able to defend themselves is blaming the victim? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #188

people know they have a right to defend themselves. it's the zimmerman JI7 Oct 2015 #196

Yet very few who know they have that right exercise it successfully. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #197

yup victim blaming JI7 Oct 2015 #199

If that's victim blaming, so be it. Everyone has a right to life and self defense. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #201

Sounds like a great idea. ileus Oct 2015 #124

Exclusively to gunthusiasts. The only pro voices here are gungeon regulars. Guns guns guns. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #128

Personally, I'd be more interested in non-gun threads in such a group. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #152

Wrong again. pintobean Oct 2015 #180

Multiple posts in this thread prove you wrong. beevul Oct 2015 #198

Agreed. tammywammy Oct 2015 #135

People behind bars shouldn't concerned with safety? NobodyHere Oct 2015 #200

People behind bars are not responsible for their own safety like the rest of us are. beevul Oct 2015 #205

They're in a cell with plenty of guards keeping them safe. ileus Oct 2015 #211

I thought you meant Social Democrat. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #144

Self defense or a forum to "blame the victim?" mentalsolstice Oct 2015 #154

Huh? If you want that type of discussion there is a web site discussion board that is for you... madinmaryland Oct 2015 #202

Universal right to life and self defense isn't Democratic? Hm... n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #203

So you decide what belongs on a DEMOCRATIC discussion board? GGJohn Oct 2015 #209

So real Democrats don't own guns? Really. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #210

Most gunthusiasts aren't Dems, and most Dems aren't gunthusiasts. That's a fact. Electric Monk Oct 2015 #212