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madville

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5. Makes sense

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:11 PM

Oct 2015

A $16 an hour job here in my rural area would have a bunch of applications. I left making about $32 an hour in a city to $24 and being able to live in a rural area. Housing is half as much, property taxes are 2/3 less. $100,000 here will get you a decent house on 1 to 5 acres of land, in the city it would get a fixer-upper on 1/4 acre at most.

In the last job I had in a city we had problems finding and retaining decent employees at around $18-22 an hour. Our three biggest turnover reasons though were substance abuse (alcohol and drugs), DUIs (couldn't drive a company vehicle any longer) and stealing (seen employees lose a $50k a year job for stealing a tank of gas of the company gas card or scrap metal to recycle). Maybe if they had paid more it would have attracted a higher quality employee.

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With soaring cost of living, San Francisco businesses can't find new low-cost employees [View all] Newsjock Oct 2015 OP

$16 / hr for a manger? Egnever Oct 2015 #1

In SF it should be at least double...nt joeybee12 Oct 2015 #45

Part-time BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #57

Short version: "We can't find good workers at shit wages! Waaaahhhh!!!" hatrack Oct 2015 #2

Bingo Populist_Prole Oct 2015 #74

I expect there will be more of this all around the country as rental and housing prices increase in smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #3

It's in most places around the country already davidn3600 Oct 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Oct 2015 #4

Makes sense madville Oct 2015 #5

Very important issue and dilemma, self inflicted by gross income inequality. The gentrification appalachiablue Oct 2015 #6

It's happening quickly Texasgal Oct 2015 #8

I believe it. The cities I mentioned are rapidly undergoing change in the last 5-15+ years and appalachiablue Oct 2015 #11

Oh. That's mine! KamaAina Oct 2015 #47

Excellent KamaAina, glad you spoke up! A very troubling issue, American Rural Poverty appalachiablue Oct 2015 #66

You know it. I live near BS Springs, and my place is worth 550k, but the taxes... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #17

I grew up in Central Austin Texasgal Oct 2015 #22

Vancouver, London, Dubai, San Francisco and a few other places Warpy Oct 2015 #40

The difference re: NYC is that there are cheaper Burroughs with good mass transit for commutes stevenleser Oct 2015 #62

Lived in the Bronx for 40+ years. Rents are getting critical there too... GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #71

Yes. mmonk Oct 2015 #75

San Francisco is a gated community. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #7

That wouldn't address the lack of affordable housing mythology Oct 2015 #78

who's going to build the affordable housing? nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #79

Better get those robots up to speed. Downwinder Oct 2015 #9

A problem with a national minimum wage dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #10

Great Idea! Kilgore Oct 2015 #14

It seems obvious. moondust Oct 2015 #15

I hadn't seen MIT's living wage calculator dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #28

Similar to a maximum wage, moondust Oct 2015 #29

A good idea, what about foundations and the like? dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #32

totally agree, and this extends to poverty calculations, too wordpix Oct 2015 #68

Yes, this isn't rocket science dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #73

Aww... Rex Oct 2015 #13

If you cannot pay a living wage by the standards/ hifiguy Oct 2015 #16

This is how wages go up. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #18

And the people who've been dutifully working for years get bypassed by the new hires. NBachers Oct 2015 #30

And such people should have no trouble finding new jobs that pay them their fair market value (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #42

It is fun to pretend as such. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #46

Isn't this thread about employers being desperate to hire people? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #51

Build. Taller. Buildings. Recursion Oct 2015 #19

Yeah, 500 square foot condos starting at $1m will solve all SF's housing woes Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2015 #26

"The market" didn't get us here; nostalgia for Victorian architecture did Recursion Oct 2015 #27

"the market" wants to build pied-a-terres for the super-wealthy and Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2015 #31

"The market" complained for years. Igel Oct 2015 #41

And would an outcome like that in New York, London, Toronto or Vancouver be desireable? Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2015 #44

Brownstones? KamaAina Oct 2015 #48

Yeah, I couldn't remember the bay area word for "rowhouse" (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #60

Townhouse? KamaAina Oct 2015 #63

You know that taller buildings in this city creates more wind, right? threethirteen Oct 2015 #35

OK, then high rents are there to stay for a while Recursion Oct 2015 #38

BART has ordered its "Fleet of the Future" KamaAina Oct 2015 #50

Why are there so many posts that mention raising the wages, and NONE truedelphi Oct 2015 #20

It's not the worker who is the beneficiary of food stamps or AFDC; it's hedgehog Oct 2015 #23

Very good point and a foul reality that's rapidly getting worse in metro areas. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #64

I won't even mention my joint income with spouse truedelphi Oct 2015 #76

simple - hire the homeless and street people nt msongs Oct 2015 #21

The only people I know who still live in SF... Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2015 #24

I live in a resort community.. lot's of empty second homes mountain grammy Oct 2015 #25

Same here, and the employers are screaming for (low wage) workers Hydra Oct 2015 #34

One has to wondering jamzrockz Oct 2015 #33

And where were they when all those people that would have filled those position were being evicted? threethirteen Oct 2015 #36

This is a furniture store, so they were probably cheering the approach of another DINK couple Recursion Oct 2015 #39

It is a used furniture store next to a used clothing store. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #55

Thank you for bringing up the pathetic SF public transportation system. Recursion spiderpig Oct 2015 #58

You're not desperate enough to PAY THEM, McCarley Warpy Oct 2015 #37

Poor widdle assholes can't find help LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #43

I don't think the small business owners here brentspeak Oct 2015 #56

as one who's been both employer in a big city and employee wordpix Oct 2015 #69

About time that you realize that you cannot turn a whole jwirr Oct 2015 #49

Xposted to California group KamaAina Oct 2015 #52

Hey, good news, everybody! In a few decades this won't matter because SF Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #53

Not all of it KamaAina Oct 2015 #59

925 ft. is a ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #72

Oh who could have foreseen that? Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #61

Good. Fuck them!... TeeYiYi Oct 2015 #65

Seems like when I left Santa Barbara yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #70

same with DC soon wordpix Oct 2015 #67

Supply and demand? Victor_c3 Oct 2015 #77