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Kilgore

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Reply to B Calm (Reply #86)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:39 PM

Oct 2015

It would never get built.

(found some chocolate......life is good!)

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Businessmen don't "create jobs"... [View all] annabanana Oct 2015 OP

So the "infrastructure" necessary to accommodate customers Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #1

the infrastructure annabanana Oct 2015 #2

You do realize that someone or a even a group of people Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #3

During startup, the entrepreneur is a customer lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #9

Yes, it takes a village. But OP is right. Jobs start with DEMAND. Hortensis Oct 2015 #22

Reagan could not have done any of this without congress yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #62

Maybe read about it, Yeoman? It's a long story, but there are short versions. Hortensis Oct 2015 #65

The "infrastructure" that's created and maintained.... daleanime Oct 2015 #28

Much of the infrastructure for commerce is The Public Commons Trajan Oct 2015 #52

Those taxes were paid by people with jobs and the businesses that employ them. Throd Oct 2015 #56

Good ... Trajan Oct 2015 #60

All capitalist do is capitalise on the DEMAND. I agree B Calm Oct 2015 #4

thank you . .n/t annabanana Oct 2015 #5

And more often than not an artificial demand hifiguy Oct 2015 #69

SO TRUE, lol. B Calm Oct 2015 #70

Yes, on the theoretical level, demand is the thing business must hook into HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #6

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #7

+1*10^6 lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #8

This is an over simplification. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #10

Care to explain why you say that? B Calm Oct 2015 #11

In a startup, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #12

but, the whole reason to start up a business is that there is demand for the B Calm Oct 2015 #13

Yep. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #14

No 1939 Oct 2015 #23

I think it's reasonable to say all start up businesses do so because they expect to make a profit. B Calm Oct 2015 #24

You're Saying the Same Thing As The Person With Whom You're Arguing ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #54

Exactly Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #101

But the people advocating tax cuts aren't targeting startups starroute Oct 2015 #19

that is another bs republican meme lancer78 Oct 2015 #89

Employers don't hire employees to do nothing Major Nikon Oct 2015 #105

It's a complex issue Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #106

It is complex, but can be broken down in simple terms Major Nikon Oct 2015 #107

I can simplify the issue. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #108

The barter system existed centuries before money Major Nikon Oct 2015 #111

I am not suggesting anything like your last point. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #112

That was the whole point of the OP Major Nikon Oct 2015 #113

A hundred recs, and a kick Populist_Prole Oct 2015 #15

Customers create the need for a job. The business provides the job. Throd Oct 2015 #16

Correct. And by the same token; government doesn't create demand. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #17

But government policies can create redistribution starroute Oct 2015 #20

You are correct philosslayer Oct 2015 #18

So there were customers for the iPhone before the iPhone was invented? StrongBad Oct 2015 #21

Of course not. The company advertised their new product and DEMAND B Calm Oct 2015 #26

There were jobs in place before there was a product to sell upaloopa Oct 2015 #31

You always have capitalists gambling, but if the demand for B Calm Oct 2015 #32

That's what I was pointing out I agree upaloopa Oct 2015 #38

and in the days of barter?. . .n/t annabanana Oct 2015 #51

We're bartering even today. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #59

So the company created the product, thus creating the demand and jobs. StrongBad Oct 2015 #33

What happens when DEMAND for the product ends? B Calm Oct 2015 #34

Then the company pivots to a new product/service or goes out of business. StrongBad Oct 2015 #35

Thus proving my point. B Calm Oct 2015 #41

That the satisfying of demand is done by a business who employs people to satisfy it? StrongBad Oct 2015 #43

No, demand determines if a business runs or fails. If there is no demand, B Calm Oct 2015 #67

Absolutely. Demand for portable computers, phones, pagers and GPS systems... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #37

And without that business there would be no jobs to satisfy that demand. StrongBad Oct 2015 #39

Bullshit. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #40

Nope. If labor was sufficient then concepts of capital and investment wouldn't exist. StrongBad Oct 2015 #42

Capital was invented to coordinate labor; "a store of value" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #45

If capital without labor is useless, explain the stock market and associated financial instruments. StrongBad Oct 2015 #46

Ephemera. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #47

So you agree that it's possible to create a return on investment without labor? Thank you. StrongBad Oct 2015 #49

Snake oil salesmen have done it for centuries. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #55

The demand for a device that could do all the things an iphone does existed before the iphone itself Erose999 Oct 2015 #50

I agree with that. But the process of tapping into that demand... StrongBad Oct 2015 #53

But without demand there are no jobs. You can't create jobs by just dumping capital on business Erose999 Oct 2015 #57

No, but it is true that capital is required to create jobs. StrongBad Oct 2015 #58

and it takes DEMAND to get the capitalists attention to gamble.. B Calm Oct 2015 #68

something that supply-siders really just don't "get" annabanana Oct 2015 #64

It's a feature, not a bug. hifiguy Oct 2015 #71

Precisely Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #102

Nope. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #110

Yes, there were. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #109

there is big buiness in ending jobs olddots Oct 2015 #25

Well, I don't know about 'no one', but it's got to be pretty damn rare. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #27

I would say that demand creates the need for jobs upaloopa Oct 2015 #29

Demand creates jobs. WDIM Oct 2015 #30

Giving the rich more money just creates wealth hoarding? 1939 Oct 2015 #66

You're very mistaken. hifiguy Oct 2015 #73

What is that wealth doing? 1939 Oct 2015 #74

Sitting there, hifiguy Oct 2015 #75

Define "invest in" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #78

Yep. In China, these days. hifiguy Oct 2015 #72

There may already be potential customers out there for a product, Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #36

Bravo! Kilgore Oct 2015 #80

Honest question, have you ever started a business? taught_me_patience Oct 2015 #44

I have, and I KNOW that she's right. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #48

Great video. I also like what Nick Hanauer has to say about income inequality which smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #114

Sounds like Trump is your man Trajan Oct 2015 #61

What does that even mean? Throd Oct 2015 #63

There's an important point getting lost here. hifiguy Oct 2015 #76

So should the Spanx company be "broken up or nationalized"? Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #81

You're just a shill in the pocket of Big Leotard. Throd Oct 2015 #84

Doubtful. hifiguy Oct 2015 #95

Spanx will never provide a good or service ibegurpard Oct 2015 #97

Not an "analogy". Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #98

How is this a controversial statement on a Democratic message board? portlander23 Oct 2015 #77

I heartily disagree Kilgore Oct 2015 #79

So who created the jobs? The consumer! B Calm Oct 2015 #82

Sayiing so implies Kilgore Oct 2015 #83

Without the consumer the product sits on the shelf. B Calm Oct 2015 #86

Nope Kilgore Oct 2015 #87

Exactly! It takes demand to create the product. B Calm Oct 2015 #88

But there was no demand until she had the idea Kilgore Oct 2015 #90

But without the demand for her idea, it's still B Calm Oct 2015 #91

And that's why it's called a circular argument Kilgore Oct 2015 #92

The demand for her gadget of course. . .n/t annabanana Oct 2015 #96

And without the idea that resulted in the gadget there would be none Kilgore Oct 2015 #103

Technically they both do LittleBlue Oct 2015 #85

DU: Libertarians are Now Welcome. HughBeaumont Oct 2015 #93

the Austrian School sabotaged Vienna in 1905, bureaucrats strangling any public works as Budapest MisterP Oct 2015 #94

Did you alert on the posts in this thread that you found offensively "libertarian"? Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #99

I didn't really have to. HughBeaumont Oct 2015 #100

+1 B Calm Oct 2015 #104