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zipplewrath

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157. We know them all yet

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:08 PM

Oct 2015

It is governed by "laws" but we don't know them all yet. A lot of smart people are working on Grand Unified Theorems, but they don't have one yet. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that this will modify the rocket equation.

The real problem is exactly what you allude, almost regardless of what concept anyone can dream up, it always implies tremendous kinds of energy. Really, on the level of a black hole. That's ALOT of energy. I'm not one to suggest that it is impossible, but I do suggest that its going to be a REALLY long time before we get anywhere close to that.

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They already found us. Rex Oct 2015 #1

It's possible Renew Deal Oct 2015 #4

I was worried I should have put in the sarcasm emo. Rex Oct 2015 #7

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SO we are the "ouch my balls" reality TV of the galaxy? Rex Oct 2015 #114

Really? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #152

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Science... It's all part of Observation and Research. Glassunion Oct 2015 #109

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That is basically what I was getting at. Glassunion Oct 2015 #115

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Light sail! longship Oct 2015 #89

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aliens have already found us. n/t Scout Oct 2015 #105

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Thank you! Rex Oct 2015 #118

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They're here: DFW Oct 2015 #135

That's Not My Picture! ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #141

Hold on, I have others: DFW Oct 2015 #151

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Ranch dressing, human flavor? Rex Oct 2015 #159

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I think we will find basic lifeforms in our solar system Marrah_G Oct 2015 #178