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olegramps

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105. The situation is impossibly complicated. Religion, politics, dictators all scrambled together.

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:06 AM

Oct 2015

When Bush and his cronies invaded Iraq they opened up Pandora's box. The Shia and Sunni have been at each others throats for 1500 years. The only stable governments have been vicious dictatorships. Mix in tribalism and suppression of women for a perfect storm. We have very little in common with this mix of cultures except sharing the same planet.

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NO NO NO NO FUCK THIS NO NO [View all] NuclearDem Oct 2015 OP

Who are you referring to? What has you upset? No link and not enough info yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #1

I think they are responding to boots on the ground in Syria. hollysmom Oct 2015 #2

how could anyone object to the US sending boots to needy people? TheSarcastinator Oct 2015 #15

Boots in the air is sufficient. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #23

You can't take and hold ground from the air. NobodyHere Oct 2015 #33

Why? grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #115

Haha! You are aptly named. n/t Chemisse Oct 2015 #30

What about the needy people here? raindaddy Oct 2015 #59

+1 area51 Oct 2015 #73

Best Post of the day. classykaren Oct 2015 #89

We used to say this but not anymore. tecelote Oct 2015 #90

It's the SOS again, it will be "creeping mission." More and more will be sent. Just how RKP5637 Oct 2015 #94

People, special ops, are being sent to Syria uppityperson Oct 2015 #5

It is big news! nt Logical Oct 2015 #26

Do you really want an answer to this? Smarmie Doofus Oct 2015 #3

Platitudes, platitudes, platitudes, empty promises, NuclearDem Oct 2015 #6

You ABSOLUTELY matter. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2015 #14

Exactly! Punkingal Oct 2015 #4

This LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #7

All wars start with a tiny number. jwirr Oct 2015 #22

You got that right. From what I have read our involvment in Vietnam started with a small group Waldorf Oct 2015 #25

You must be talking about the Viet Nam Conflict. Just a small thing built on lies. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #29

If I remember correctly the number was 60. jwirr Oct 2015 #36

The first US death was from the Army Security Agency. alfredo Oct 2015 #104

So the number was actually 1. jwirr Oct 2015 #108

1 too many alfredo Oct 2015 #121

Absolutely for a war we got nothing back for. Personally I jwirr Oct 2015 #125

Some get folded flags. alfredo Oct 2015 #126

And headstones with a flag every memorial day. jwirr Oct 2015 #127

Us survivors get bad coffee at the VA, but it's free. alfredo Nov 2015 #128

Exactly! Paka Oct 2015 #43

Yep, and proven throughout history. I hope I am wrong, but I see this ratcheting up. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #95

I hope that we are wrong also but this aspect of the war is jwirr Oct 2015 #109

Obama's eight years: 8 full years of war in Afghanistan. morningfog Oct 2015 #8

I repeat. hifiguy Oct 2015 #13

What? Can't you believe in it? Enthusiast Oct 2015 #47

Chump change for us freeloaders...NOW EAT YOUR PEAS!!! SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #52

He ran on a platform of more war in Afghanistan. McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #79

and Bernie supports Obama in keeping troops in Afghanistan also still_one Oct 2015 #83

You forgot the troops to Uganda, Chad, Liberia, etc...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #81

And what does Russia think about this? Jim Beard Oct 2015 #9

As soon as someone arms "The Rebels" (whoever they are) with bvar22 Oct 2015 #10

Armageddon Bingo Fairgo Oct 2015 #11

War then hifiguy Oct 2015 #12

That is, the bottom line! Profits trump peace. Zillions are made off of war machines. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #97

I'm getting this image in my mind of NO FUCK NO NO FUCK THIS NO NO NO NO! Rex Oct 2015 #16

Let the Saudis fight their own wars. N/T tiredtoo Oct 2015 #17

Damn! I wish they had 'like' buttons on DU dhol82 Oct 2015 #53

Yes! Awknid Oct 2015 #61

Why should they, when The House of Saud pumps money into The House of Bush and Poppy doles Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #75

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Oct 2015 #76

Michael Moore's new film TransitJohn Oct 2015 #18

you get what you vote for MisterP Oct 2015 #19

Not really....... not anymore. bvar22 Oct 2015 #117

thousands pretended we had one, at least, and tried to mute any alternative MisterP Oct 2015 #118

+1 leftstreet Oct 2015 #123

LEARNING CURVES ARE FOR PUSSIES! pansypoo53219 Oct 2015 #20

Well it's true. Tough guys don't need no stinkin' learning curve. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #48

To me, you matter. Unfortunately you don't matter to Obama in his CIA wargames LittleBlue Oct 2015 #21

So sad how people are used for MIC $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #98

Agree Auggie Oct 2015 #24

BERNIE!!! retrowire Oct 2015 #27

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #42

So I guess Bernie's support of Obama's position of keeping troops in Afghanistan must me he thinks still_one Oct 2015 #84

Syria was on the list from the get go. notadmblnd Oct 2015 #28

President Obama promised no more boots on the ground. Tipperary Oct 2015 #31

Syria is a country in the middle of a civil war. PADemD Oct 2015 #32

Seems like the lesson of Vietmam Joe Turner Oct 2015 #34

They picked the WRONG side in Libya. bvar22 Oct 2015 #120

I knew it would happen. I'm cynical that way. NonMetro Oct 2015 #35

<sigh> Fumesucker Oct 2015 #37

That is a good one. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #49

Exactly! ctsnowman Oct 2015 #88

Expert on TV: "Millennials need to have a GENERATIONAL COMMITTMENT cprise Oct 2015 #38

"GENERATIONAL COMMITTMENT?" Fuck you expert on TV. blackspade Oct 2015 #65

Found out he is Retired Admiral William McRaven cprise Oct 2015 #68

What a flaming asshole. blackspade Oct 2015 #72

The media briefly dappled with interviewing anti-war people cprise Oct 2015 #87

Isn't that the truth. blackspade Oct 2015 #111

A clip about Afghanistan from that interview. He calls it a "Generational Fight" *shudder* aidbo Oct 2015 #124

It cuts out before he talks about millennials committing to the fight. cprise Nov 2015 #130

Nope. We just breed the cannon fodder and pay for the endless wars. nt valerief Oct 2015 #39

Lotta FINE-PAYIN' jobs Plucketeer Oct 2015 #112

Amen! grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #40

What the hell possible christx30 Oct 2015 #41

Selling weapons - to our government in particular hifiguy Oct 2015 #58

At this point, I have no idea why anyone would join the military. n/t christx30 Oct 2015 #63

Desperation for a regular paycheck hifiguy Oct 2015 #64

Free college is another reason. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #66

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #99

do we matter? HELL NO. niyad Oct 2015 #44

Have to agree with the OP n/t That Guy 888 Oct 2015 #45

Want to know what's even scarier?... paleotn Oct 2015 #46

yup .. Vietnam part II �. US vs USSR using proxies . nt littlewolf Oct 2015 #50

You want to know another scary tidbit? snappyturtle Oct 2015 #74

What NuclearDem said. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #51

Perusing the rec list hifiguy Oct 2015 #54

It sure is. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #55

The Tiger Beat brigade is nothing hifiguy Oct 2015 #57

Maybe they'll have to move some from Afghanistan now. rug Oct 2015 #56

Typical Isolationist Cowardice denem Oct 2015 #60

Speaking of comfortably numb, tell me about Saudi Arabia cprise Oct 2015 #70

Note:The VA is not a good example. It has been f**Ked forever & will always be. UTUSN Oct 2015 #62

No.... daleanime Oct 2015 #67

Wtf CarlaJonesChicago Oct 2015 #69

The Republican Party isn't making this decision. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #77

1, 2, 3, what are we fighting for? marym625 Oct 2015 #71

Um...we elected the president on a platform of "I'm escalating the war in Afghanistan." McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #78

Syria is a whole new war. And we left Iraq but we're back there too. neverforget Oct 2015 #82

Bernie agrees with Obama in keeping troops in Afghanistan still_one Oct 2015 #85

Obviously Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #80

There are about 50 special forces that will be used in coordinating efforts with Kurdish forces. In still_one Oct 2015 #86

Those Kurdish forces are considered to be terrorists by the Turkish govt. CJCRANE Oct 2015 #91

thanks for the information still_one Oct 2015 #93

Yeah, what a fucked up world Munificence Oct 2015 #116

Russias involvement has changed the entire situation. Jim Beard Oct 2015 #114

Unbelievable yet unsurprising. Nobel ought to shut down due to ineptitude TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #92

Temper tantrum much? Darb Oct 2015 #96

What is the necessity? The Traveler Oct 2015 #102

apparently the president said 8 different times that this wouldn't happen Doctor_J Oct 2015 #100

I can't understand how the smartest people in the government can be so short-sighted. paulbibeau Oct 2015 #101

It has now become a proxy war against Russia. alfredo Oct 2015 #103

^^this DustyJoe Oct 2015 #106

Did Obama say they will be situated in Syria, or are they going to do in and out raids? alfredo Oct 2015 #122

The situation is impossibly complicated. Religion, politics, dictators all scrambled together. olegramps Oct 2015 #105

No, NucDem, we don't matter to any WarMongerOligarch. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #107

Where are all the people who wanted war with Syria back in 2013? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #110

presumably that war, if it had happened, would have been airstrikes against Assad Charlie Brown Oct 2015 #119

. hedgehog Oct 2015 #113

If you're following climate change you'll get the idea theres not going to be trillion Nov 2015 #129