Medicare for all would cost more than what we are paying now. We need to stop avoiding this fact.

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154. You do realize that most poor people don't get proper dental treatment because its too expensive?

You call it cheap, and I guess it is, if you are willing to wait months and go to a subsidized community health center.

But they only do fillings, cleanings and checkups, if you need any other work done, you then need to go to a private dentists and/or oral surgeons, where extractions cost hundreds, and pretty much anything else costs thousands. Yeah, that's cheap enough.

Your comparison to groceries are a total fail, groceries are subject to the economies of scale, industrial farming means there can be a surplus in supply, leading to price drops, droughts can lead to scarcity, leading to price hikes, etc. There is no equivalent with medical care products or services, because I'm not going to go to the medical supply store and stock up on titanium knees on the off-chance that I will need them in the future. In reality, unless you want to confine access to medical care to the richest 3rd of Americans, most products and services are going to be far too expensive for anyone to afford without a third party paying for them.