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Cal Carpenter

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46. The excuses have to stop

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 01:46 PM

Nov 2015

and I'm not talking about this particular president or that particular congress...

Virtually EVERY ONE of our peers around the globe has single payer or some other form of nationalized, guaranteed health care. Dozens of less developed and much less wealthy countries has it too.

Our nation is exceptional, that's the truth, but not in the ways many people want to think.

It is pathetic. And every time a politically aware and active person says 'we can't get it through', it just perpetuates this.

I'm not meaning to rant at you personally, please understand that. I'm just fed up with this 'can't do it' conclusion I see everywhere in terms of health care (not to mention education, job security, retirement, and so much else - we are SO FAR BEHIND the rest of the world...)

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We simply cannot settle for the ACA [View all] SHRED Nov 2015 OP

Single payer now! PatrickforO Nov 2015 #1

take a look at what you would have to pay if your AGI was $64,000 antigop Nov 2015 #2

I know SHRED Nov 2015 #3

yep. No subsidies if your AGI is over 400% FPL. And older people get nailed. antigop Nov 2015 #4

19% of your MAGI would be going solely to premiums antigop Nov 2015 #7

I don't think even Obama has asked us to "settle" for the ACA as it is. And he probably supports kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #5

He didn't even allow a Single-Payer "debate" SHRED Nov 2015 #6

See Eridani's #19 below. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #59

He's not interested in a better offer Hydra Nov 2015 #9

In a Rahm like fashion. merrily Nov 2015 #36

The excuses have to stop Cal Carpenter Nov 2015 #46

+1 area51 Nov 2015 #67

I'm afraid the fan club is now dug in on this boondoggle. Doctor_J Nov 2015 #8

sad, the number of people who could not see that coming Skittles Nov 2015 #29

I'm getting a 50% increase next year Hydra Nov 2015 #10

Ugh SHRED Nov 2015 #14

Yes, I'm afraid of getting my subsidy halved if I make more too Hydra Nov 2015 #17

That's all the Conservative Dems are going to offer. Vote for a true progressive that rhett o rick Nov 2015 #11

Medicare kind of sucks too. nt BreakfastClub Nov 2015 #16

Single payer would eliminate all deductibles and use drug price negotiation to lowr costs eridani Nov 2015 #21

Compared to what? merrily Nov 2015 #37

But much more easy to improve than for-profit insurance vampires n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #51

I honestly believe that the ACA will eventually lead us SheilaT Nov 2015 #12

It won't if we elect a Conservative. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #18

Such as Hillary. SheilaT Nov 2015 #33

Oh and I forgot... SHRED Nov 2015 #13

Hillary was right. Everything she said in '08 about Obama and healthcare BreakfastClub Nov 2015 #15

Agreed. Thought Obama was better on the war issue and Clinton better on health care eridani Nov 2015 #20

The ACA allows states to implement single payer eridani Nov 2015 #19

Agree. We are not going to get the House plus 60 liberal Senators plus the Oval office all at once. merrily Nov 2015 #35

Yes realistically the earliest would be davidpdx Nov 2015 #57

Maybe, if Republicans don't get to do the 2020 census-related re-districting again; and there is a merrily Nov 2015 #58

If we get states to implement single payer, we need to be sure that we have reduced medical stillwaiting Nov 2015 #41

Well, Vermont couldn't figure it out. A small state where the challenges would be much stevenleser Nov 2015 #61

The French system is 100% government controlled. However, copays are 30%, which is-- eridani Nov 2015 #66

Without the ACA, I'd be dead now shenmue Nov 2015 #22

Doesn't chance the fact that the ACA could be improved on, though. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #27

It has helped a lot of people. That is no reason to leave the rest behind. n/t eridani Nov 2015 #40

me, too. Either that or I would have lost my house and retirement $ I worked for all my life wordpix Nov 2015 #54

I agree, it's too freaking expensive for a middle class salary flamingdem Nov 2015 #23

How does it compare to the cost for middle class families passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #25

Similar I think, every case is different flamingdem Nov 2015 #28

It is way, way cheaper now if you have any kind of preexisting condition pnwmom Nov 2015 #32

True, but I think the middle class is bearing the costs flamingdem Nov 2015 #44

The middle class is full of people with preexisting conditions. These were real people pnwmom Nov 2015 #45

400 percent of FPL is 40 something thousand a year - updated with figure flamingdem Nov 2015 #47

Get rid of the bankster middle men, AKA insurance companies ErikJ Nov 2015 #24

read my post 53 about insurance fraudsters wordpix Nov 2015 #55

A for profit health care system zentrum Nov 2015 #26

IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THE FINAL ANSWER. ELECT DEMS TO CONGRESS, F'GODS SAKE. Hekate Nov 2015 #30

How soon do you think we will have the House, 60 or more liberal Senators plus the WH, merrily Nov 2015 #38

As soon as Democrats are as motivated at midterm elections as they are at presidential ones Hekate Nov 2015 #48

Before 2008, it had not happened in a long time. I think it will be a long, long time before it merrily Nov 2015 #49

Agreed! PoliticalMalcontent Nov 2015 #31

I support single payer, but without a progressive Congress it won't happen davidpdx Nov 2015 #34

Please see Reply 19. merrily Nov 2015 #39

In far too many instances we are not even mounting effective challengers to the Establishment stillwaiting Nov 2015 #43

Yep davidpdx Nov 2015 #56

For the same coverage mine is cheaper next year. B Calm Nov 2015 #42

Remember, Obama told us that he would pass this and fix it later. Still waiting for the later! grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #50

Why are you waiting? It's obvious Republican congress won't pass anything. stevenleser Nov 2015 #62

And he's got to shoot off his pop gun in Syria! grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #63

Hey, if non-sequiturs are your thing, let's discuss sno-cone machines too. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #64

He's too busy to fight the scary Republicans, cuz, as you say, he can't beat em, OTOH, grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #65

If you don't have the numbers, you don't have the numbers. It's not rocket science. stevenleser Nov 2015 #68

Mine went up from $418/mo to $552/mo., up 32% progree Nov 2015 #52

it's DISGUSTING how insurance companies' "allowed charges" have nothing to do w/reality wordpix Nov 2015 #53

The ACA was/is not perfect by any means Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #60