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GarroHorus

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149. Monsanto has a vested interest in making sure CCD is corrected

Sat May 26, 2012, 02:17 PM

May 2012

A good percentage of their product lines are dependent upon honey bees for the production of food.

Monsanto is the bad guy in GMO foods, not in CCD.

Bayer is the bad guy in CCD.

And you analogy of the Ford Pinto being comparable to Roundup is laughable. I can't even say you're comparing apples to oranges because at least something between the two are comparable (both round) there is not a single thing comparable between the Ford Pinto and Roundup.

The problem with Roundup is the GMO 'Roundup Ready' food. Monsanto developed that gene and spliced into natural food. Their problem is once Roundup got overused, the weeds that Roundup was designed to destroy developed their own, natural, 'Roundup Ready' genes resulting in GMO food being forced on everybody with no benefits whatsoever.

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Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to (Monsanto) Roundup; kills remaining queens [View all] Fire Walk With Me May 2012 OP

Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #1

i think killing honey bees is a ticket to hell roguevalley May 2012 #113

There is a hell? sarcasmo May 2012 #118

Yes. It's a world without honey bees. n/t BeliQueen May 2012 #122

+1 sarcasmo May 2012 #132

... Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #134

I wish I could REC this post! nt NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #190

no. but we can hope. :D roguevalley May 2012 #136

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2012 #2

Link won't connect. Even tried just the www. without the specific page. Lionessa May 2012 #3

hmmmmmm..won't connect for me either. dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #47

Direct link to the article about the bee farmer is here... SidDithers May 2012 #49

Is there a single government action taken Aerows May 2012 #71

Check out post 75 GarroHorus May 2012 #76

This is a banner day, then Aerows May 2012 #78

American foulbrood is nasty GarroHorus May 2012 #81

Apology accepted...nt SidDithers May 2012 #167

Show me where I've even commented on the.., SidDithers May 2012 #92

Got your point, Sid Aerows May 2012 #174

What did Obama have to do with even the allegations of the OP? GarroHorus May 2012 #175

Ah-ha-ha-ha! randome May 2012 #176

Didn't mean to reply to you Aerows May 2012 #177

Was just kinda confused about Obama being mentioned in this GarroHorus May 2012 #178

kick rhett o rick May 2012 #4

what does "resistant to roundup" mean? KurtNYC May 2012 #5

It's not SUPPOSED to, but there is considerable evidence that it DOES. n/t Ian David May 2012 #6

so the theory is that Monsanto wants a monopoly on bees resistant to their roundup? KurtNYC May 2012 #7

If you can prove the existence of round-up resistant bees... Ian David May 2012 #12

Seems like it would be more direct to just prove that Roundup kills bees KurtNYC May 2012 #16

I think the resistant bees are one line of evidence in proving round-up kills bees. n/t Ian David May 2012 #18

Pretty hard to "understand the story" as it is not a real story. yellowcanine May 2012 #28

No doubt he has years of evidence. Insan(e)to is a villainous criminal, plain and simple Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #82

Actually I do doubt it. Roundup effects on bees is not exactly an unknown area. yellowcanine May 2012 #87

Monsanto are pure, utter evil, and I say this meaning it entirely and without reservation. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #17

They want to control the worlds seed source and that is evil. lame54 May 2012 #37

The evil of Monsanto-we as consumers, must fight for labeling of all GMO food products crunch60 May 2012 #48

If so, then we should have elected THIS guy instead. bvar22 May 2012 #93

I remember that guy. U4ikLefty May 2012 #163

Germane to the discussion of what Monsanto is doing is this tidbit - truedelphi May 2012 #29

Check out the Documentary "the future of food" if you want to see Javaman May 2012 #45

Do you have a link? wilsonbooks May 2012 #88

I'm trying to understand this...they don't want anyone developing bees resistant to that stuff.... LiberalLoner May 2012 #10

And think about the other fact that this news piece demonstrates - the Big Agri firms truedelphi May 2012 #39

round up is a non selective herbacide.. oldhippydude May 2012 #8

There is no evidence Roundup affects bees and plenty of people doing research on it. yellowcanine May 2012 #31

Shower yourself with a diet rich in roundup then. Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #83

How does that relate to this discussion? Answer, it doesn't. yellowcanine May 2012 #90

And megacorporations never lie and destroy for profit's sake! Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #153

And that is a red herring/false choice. Of course they do. But so what? Doesn't mean that is the yellowcanine May 2012 #182

didn't they say the same thing about atrazine? booley May 2013 #192

Who is THEY? Whether someone said that or not it is not actually relevant. yellowcanine Jun 2013 #193

Researchers booley Jun 2013 #194

I did not say atrazine doesn't break down in the soil: I said it can persist a long time. It can. yellowcanine Jun 2013 #195

Also glyphosate has been around since 1974 and your idea that it hasn't been researched yellowcanine Jun 2013 #196

No we did not. booley Jun 2013 #197

Point is both have been around a long time. yellowcanine Jun 2013 #198

Roundup is said to also destroy human DNA. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #9

If I want to eat roundup, I'll sprinkle it on my food myself. crunch60 May 2012 #51

I'm confused, also. Roundup is an herbicide, not an insecticide. Arkansas Granny May 2012 #13

Why should anybody believe your source? GarroHorus May 2012 #11

Maybe they're trying to stop this... Ian David May 2012 #14

That's a good point. And the only other source I can find is the nutjob site, "Natural News." n/t Ian David May 2012 #15

I knew there was no legitimate source GarroHorus May 2012 #24

You didn't read the story to see the original source/link? Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #25

Why didn't you just post the link to the original source?... SidDithers May 2012 #35

Good job... SidDithers May 2012 #19

Great article GarroHorus May 2012 #26

The evil gubamint might have seized the bees, but what about the 'research?' msanthrope May 2012 #59

I noticed that too. The bees were seized because inspectors detected foulbrood. yellowcanine May 2012 #20

The keeper demands that he knows what he is doing Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #23

If you read the Prairie Avocate article it's pretty clear where his bees are. GarroHorus May 2012 #32

That's an assumption, and that's the beekeeper's point. He's not getting answers Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #44

According to the article, he first got notice of this last year.... msanthrope May 2012 #66

If they had foulbrood the bees would have and SHOULD have been destroyed. yellowcanine May 2012 #57

58 years of experience in bee keeping vs. 12 years as a what, corporate hack? Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #85

No. It was based on lab tests at the USDA lab in Beltsville. yellowcanine May 2012 #94

The keeper demands that he knows what he is doing LiberalAndProud May 2012 #172

+1 GarroHorus May 2012 #173

Thank you, GarroHorus. LiberalAndProud May 2012 #179

I defnitely agree about Monsanto GarroHorus May 2012 #180

Well then let's hope the source of the original story isn't sharing underwear with Glenn Beck: Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #22

I would just edit your OP to link directly to the Prairie Advocate article. n/t Ian David May 2012 #33

+1...nt SidDithers May 2012 #38

Good point GarroHorus May 2012 #41

I think it's time for people to accept truth regardless of source Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #42

hard to take the source seriously on a serious matter, when he trashes OWS and compares Carter among maddezmom May 2012 #52

I think it's time to quit linking to wingnut sites. Scurrilous May 2012 #61

I am disabled with very little energy and I thankfully have little knowledge of nut-job sites. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #104

Wait - what? Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #64

As am I. Truth can't be determined without considering the source. yellowcanine May 2012 #68

Well the truth of the matter is of some dispute so source has to be considered. yellowcanine May 2012 #65

It also presents a great opportunity for you to direct Progressive web traffic to right-wing sites. Ian David May 2012 #79

No - what if this source wants to spread BS to discredit legitmate complaints against Monsanto? KurtNYC May 2012 #99

brianbrown.net? ... SidDithers May 2012 #21

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author marmar May 2012 #34

I'd just like to see something substantive to back up the allegations GarroHorus May 2012 #40

I for one am not saying the source is not factually correct. Ian David May 2012 #43

Oh, I know.....and I didn't mean you, ID. marmar May 2012 #46

Yeah, I finally bowed deeply to those who refuse to click the source link in the first link I posted Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #135

First you have to offer something of substance, as opposed to something of ridicule. msanthrope May 2012 #54

Perhaps you need trustworthy sources. caseymoz May 2012 #58

Monsanto have their fingers stuck deeply in our government. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #36

That only means the story is somewhat plausible. caseymoz May 2012 #60

Please check the edited OP for an interesting link. n/t Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #155

That's a trustworthy source all right. caseymoz May 2012 #161

I could link back to DU and people would chide me for less-than-golden sources. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #162

I said your source was trustworthy. caseymoz May 2012 #164

Occupy the bee farms! randome May 2012 #165

How does that assertion relate to the OP? If you read all of the replies it is clear that this case yellowcanine May 2012 #80

It's no assertion, use your search engine to find Monsanto connections to government. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #102

"I believe Monsanto actually bought up a research company...." yellowcanine May 2012 #119

I don't always have the time to link people to stories. Everyone has a search engine if they care. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #128

"Everybody has a search engine." Oh for pity's sake. You really don't get it. yellowcanine May 2012 #129

I'm sorry, I do not have the time to provide a complete education Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #133

Kick EFerrari May 2012 #30

Monsanto must be scared of lawsuits by bee keepers. McCamy Taylor May 2012 #50

I'm surprised they haven't bred GM bees, spread them around and claimed patent theft Marrah_G May 2012 #53

I think lawsuits would be aimed at Bayer at this point. caseymoz May 2012 #63

The evidence is certainly a lot better than for Roundup, that's for sure. yellowcanine May 2012 #130

The phenomenon started the year neonicotinoids caseymoz May 2012 #137

"No, it's neonicotinoids. There's really no doubt now." Actually there is. yellowcanine May 2012 #139

I didn't didn't say they colluded. caseymoz May 2012 #141

Yeah right. "And they were probably the industry cover up." Who is "they" then. yellowcanine May 2012 #181

It took you five days to come up with that? caseymoz May 2012 #183

I have a life, thank you. I don't do this every day. yellowcanine May 2012 #184

You misconstrue my premise. caseymoz May 2012 #185

K&R JDPriestly May 2012 #55

A google search frazzled May 2012 #56

Found an interesting discussion on a Bee forum GarroHorus May 2012 #62

Luckily, the guy who's been doing the research had his hives destroyed. Tunkamerica May 2012 #117

What research? MattBaggins May 2012 #124

Or the guy boasted he had an invention. caseymoz May 2012 #67

An email from the Illinois State Beekeepers Association GarroHorus May 2012 #69

And Monsanto was present where? caseymoz May 2012 #73

In the library with the dagger. yellowcanine May 2012 #77

Monsanto 1 vs. Ingram 0 tanjulio May 2012 #126

Ingram is lying GarroHorus May 2012 #143

Isn't the Roundup line now obsolete? caseymoz May 2012 #70

K&R jannyk May 2012 #72

Insanto is a criminal empire, time to end their reign of terror Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #74

Illinois Bees and Apiaries Act GarroHorus May 2012 #75

Which part of that statute authorizes the destruction of the queens? ET Awful May 2012 #84

Right here GarroHorus May 2012 #89

This is like a scene out of a science fiction horror movie. Monsanto must be held accountable ladjf May 2012 #86

Illinois is a pay-to-play state. If you don't pay, you don't get to play. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #91

All bees are resistant to Roundup FarCenter May 2012 #95

Key to making a popular post 4th law of robotics May 2012 #123

Please check the edited OP for an interesting link. n/t Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #157

Please check the edited OP for an interesting link. n/t Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #156

Amazing how many here recc'ed this without reading what REALLY happened. Ikonoklast May 2012 #96

As reported in an OpEd by a RW birther troll even. Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #97

Did you check the link in the story to the original article? I've posted it in the OP Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #103

And the guy in violation fo the Ag laws GarroHorus May 2012 #100

If you want to piss of your livestock-farming neighbors, keep sick animals with a communicable Ikonoklast May 2012 #105

70 recs for this Birther sourced story in three hours KurtNYC May 2012 #101

Please check the edited OP for an interesting new link. n/t Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #159

+ Infinity. Odin2005 May 2012 #109

+1. Even a quick reading of the article shows this to be true. (nt) reACTIONary May 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author alfredo May 2012 #98

Harvard Gazette: Pesticide tied to bee colony collapse / April 5 2012 rosesaylavee May 2012 #106

Roundup is not a pesticide GarroHorus May 2012 #144

It's a toxin that's killing bees. rosesaylavee May 2012 #186

Link to a study GarroHorus May 2012 #187

Here's the most recent one I have seen rosesaylavee Jun 2012 #188

Hmmmm.... GarroHorus Jun 2012 #189

Plant Flowers Tsiyu May 2012 #107

RW Liberturdian BS. Odin2005 May 2012 #108

Ayup. boppers May 2012 #116

Good lord, please search Monsanto + government or most any topic you choose. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #142

I don't buy it GarroHorus May 2012 #145

One type of poison definitely cannot effect other things. That's madness. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #147

Monsanto has a vested interest in making sure CCD is corrected GarroHorus May 2012 #149

Roundup Birth Defects: Regulators Knew World's Best-Selling Herbicide Causes Problems Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #152

You should not have linked this to your original post GarroHorus May 2012 #169

Good night, and good luck. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #170

It's afternoon. GarroHorus May 2012 #171

An herbicide and a pesticide and a car are totally the same thing! boppers May 2012 #151

I'm no fan of Monsanto, I think they are scum. Odin2005 May 2012 #160

Please check the edited OP for an interesting link. n/t Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #158

Welp those fucking thug sonofabitches! lonestarnot May 2012 #111

George Imirie, Master Beekeeper, on American Foulbrood GarroHorus May 2012 #112

I am always suspicious of anyone who "knows better" than all of the others in the same yellowcanine May 2012 #120

Just to be clear GarroHorus May 2012 #138

Sorry for the confusion. yellowcanine May 2012 #140

Monsanto is evil. See 'Food Inc' upi402 May 2012 #114

Drop the Money Bomb On Monsanto lunasun May 2012 #115

K&R yesphan May 2012 #121

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #125

Illegally. I want them and Monsanto to pay dearly for this. They want to be able to have their jwirr May 2012 #127

Allegations GarroHorus May 2012 #146

The way I understand it he was not given the chance before they killed the bees. jwirr May 2012 #148

His claims are ludicrous on their face. GarroHorus May 2012 #150

Horrible. Quantess May 2012 #131

Roundup Birth Defects: Regulators Knew World's Best-Selling Herbicide Causes Problems Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #154

Wow. The OP is completely different from when it was originally posted... SidDithers May 2012 #166

And I now question whether Roundup has any potential to cause birth defects GarroHorus May 2012 #168

Bees seized in roundup resistant roundup? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #191