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Fumesucker

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49. I have about 250k miles on motorcycles, quite a bit on bicycles and now have about 10k on an ebike

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 05:35 PM

Nov 2015

Never been touched by a car for three reasons, I ride in such a manner that if I was invisible I wouldn't get hit anyway (easier on a motorcycle than a bike or ebike, they are too slow) , I strive to be as visible and predictable by other drivers as possible and I've been fortunate that I have not run into a situation where it was impossible to avoid a collision, such as stopped at a light or someone just swerves right across from the oncoming lane into you.

Strategy and tactics for avoiding accidents is a very common subject of discussion on motorcycle and bike forums, if you don't have a steel cocoon around you then your situational awareness is the only thing between you and oblivion, there really is no such thing as a fender bender when you are on two wheels.

If the autonomous car drove like a really skilled and experienced road driver it would hardly get hit at all but it doesn't drive that way yet. There are a hell of a lot of subtle inputs a good driver takes into account to steer the safest path down a busy road, by no means is it all happening at a conscious level either.

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Self Driving Cars Have A Higher Accident Rate [View all] JonathanRackham Nov 2015 OP

"Even though they haven't been at fault," Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #1

Which can also mean humans are better at avoiding accidents Major Nikon Nov 2015 #10

Shit, I avoided three accidents just driving over to pick someone up this morning. NBachers Nov 2015 #12

I remember hearing that on NPR FLson Nov 2015 #58

It sounds like the solution is more self driving cars Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #2

The article clearly states the self-driving cars Codeine Nov 2015 #3

Totally true, but somewhat misleading. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #18

I don't think avoidance, per se, is the problem actually. Chan790 Nov 2015 #36

it's because humans can anticipate an accident and will react to avoid it Demonaut Nov 2015 #4

Humans caused these accidents, not self-driving cars. LisaL Nov 2015 #6

yes.I look at all cars positions and when I can, gain eyecontact with drivers, can a comp do that? Demonaut Nov 2015 #7

Nope, 10 years out these cars will save 1000s of lifes, humans are the issue. Nt Logical Nov 2015 #40

In the future, self-driving cars and smart guns will save tens of thousands of lives each year. SecularMotion Nov 2015 #52

I 100% agree. I look so forward to the self driving cars, total geek. nt Logical Nov 2015 #55

sure...but only when they become the dominate means of travel Demonaut Nov 2015 #53

Nope, they will save life's from day one. nt Logical Nov 2015 #54

yes lives but will be involved in more accidents Demonaut Nov 2015 #59

People will adjust quickly once they start seeing them. I think a major issue now is rubber necking. Logical Nov 2015 #61

true Demonaut Nov 2015 #62

And if these cars would have had Humans they would have reacted and avoided the accidents krawhitham Nov 2015 #8

While they were texting? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #9

Depends how many friends the self-driving car has if it texts. Curiosity rover texts all the time Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #27

Really? Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #26

That's an easy one, program the cars to accelerate on yellow like real drivers do Fumesucker Nov 2015 #30

At a stop sign? When stopping for a turn? Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #31

Human drivers don't drive like the autonomous vehicles that obey all traffic rules Fumesucker Nov 2015 #33

I think the next thing that self-driving cars will demonstrate... MindPilot Nov 2015 #42

They are quite predictable Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #44

I have about 250k miles on motorcycles, quite a bit on bicycles and now have about 10k on an ebike Fumesucker Nov 2015 #49

You have been a very careful rider Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #51

I think you're dead on there. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #56

Humans plow into self-driving cars at an alarming rate Recursion Nov 2015 #5

If the self driving cars use ethanol are they driving under the influence? DJ13 Nov 2015 #11

Color me surprised. WillowTree Nov 2015 #13

The self driving cars never have hit another car. Nt Logical Nov 2015 #16

Yet....... WillowTree Nov 2015 #19

Lol, ok. But 100s will die today from humans driving. Nt Logical Nov 2015 #29

Looks to me that they're good at not hitting other people, but not so good at avoiding bad drivers. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #14

Hard to avoid a bad driver who rear-ends you Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #45

Did you even read the stats? Lol, I assume not nt Logical Nov 2015 #15

Humans are very adept at running into cars stopped at a traffic light killbotfactory Nov 2015 #17

The human driver will be eliminated sooner than you think. Position yourself for that reality. Darb Nov 2015 #20

Actually, long term, Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #46

This will remain true until cars are mostly autonomous. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #21

There is the 'no shit' story of the decade. Nt arely staircase Nov 2015 #22

Agreed, human drivers should be eliminated asap. Darb Nov 2015 #23

I'm going to make a guess here, the autonomous cars are obeying the rules of the road strictly Fumesucker Nov 2015 #24

You win...well, something. Chan790 Nov 2015 #37

As my old drivers ed teacher said, it doesn't matter if you're doing everything right... Lancero Nov 2015 #48

hit and run post. nt Javaman Nov 2015 #25

Lulz! +1 Glassunion Nov 2015 #28

As a former road warrior, motorsport enthusiast, and tech worker tech3149 Nov 2015 #32

Driving itself isn't particularly difficult under good conditions on a clear, traffic free road Fumesucker Nov 2015 #34

I think you're pretty much of the same mindset as me tech3149 Nov 2015 #39

there's also a big change in neighborhood structure and driving rates MisterP Nov 2015 #35

It's an interesting viewpoint...but the first point is wrong and the rest is dependent upon it. Chan790 Nov 2015 #38

These cars are much less fallible than human drivers? tech3149 Nov 2015 #41

A really good human driver, a true expert? No the cars aren't that good yet Fumesucker Nov 2015 #50

I'm not sure I understand your perspective tech3149 Nov 2015 #60

I vote end human driving. The advantages are just too big. Darb Nov 2015 #43

Once they are all driverless cars they can tailgate mere inches away Fumesucker Nov 2015 #57

Luckily the algorithms used learn from each Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #47