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loyalsister

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16. Guns: the great equalizer

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 07:20 PM

Nov 2015

The USA relationships with money and guns vividly express the narcissism reflected in the ugly American stereotype.

Both are the manifestations of a sense of entitlement in it's purest form. If ya can't have one, the other is abundently available for a person to live a life devoted to their personal desires.

Both fulfill a narcissitic desire but only one is available to a significant number of the population. It is far too satisfying to have access to the realization of the most irrational sense of the American dream. I think it is also possibly based on the greed that sometimes accompanies a sense of disenfranchisement.

As things stand, I don't have a lot of hope. Because, even here, the stanchest gun advocates consider these shootings to be collatoral damage to the ends of their own sense of personal satisfaction (be it personal safety, hunting trophies, or target shooting expertise).

I DO, however hope that I will be proven wrong.

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How many gun tragedies will it take before the gun lovers relent? [View all] trumad Nov 2015 OP

It doesn't work that way. It's a fetish. PSPS Nov 2015 #1

Fetish or addiction? A fetish implies it is a simple choice they can make (although they refuse). LonePirate Nov 2015 #7

No, it's generally regarded as a fetish PSPS Nov 2015 #27

The "magical powers" definition hifiguy Nov 2015 #43

Ironically, they seem to think guns make them bulletproof ala Superman. LonePirate Nov 2015 #45

They.Don't.Care nt LiberalElite Nov 2015 #2

They will NEVER relent. hifiguy Nov 2015 #3

What is your definition of "relent"? Throd Nov 2015 #4

I'm pretty sure its defined as 'capitulate'. N/T beevul Nov 2015 #19

It's Irrelevant SoCalMusicLover Nov 2015 #5

They won't/can't relent. Lord God Gun comes first in their affections, their political calculations, villager Nov 2015 #6

You're asking the wrong questions. jonno99 Nov 2015 #8

You're arguing against their religious beliefs gratuitous Nov 2015 #9

Most are like NRA past Prez Keene. His son was imprisoned for years for shooting a motorist Hoyt Nov 2015 #10

They're too insecure. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2015 #11

They think mainstreetonce Nov 2015 #12

All of them SwankyXomb Nov 2015 #13

The more relevant question is TeddyR Nov 2015 #14

Relent to tighter gun control. trumad Nov 2015 #21

UBCs, tightened background checks and a crackdown on illegal trafficking sufficient for you? hack89 Nov 2015 #22

That's a start to see how they inhibit the problem. LonePirate Nov 2015 #38

The only thing that would stop something like Charleston or Sandy Hook would be a Waldorf Nov 2015 #85

You're a good man. trumad Nov 2015 #91

I am puzzled by the lack of action, we have made vehicles safer, made the roads safer but this issue Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #15

We have cut our murder rate in half. hack89 Nov 2015 #25

Very true TeddyR Nov 2015 #46

More Americans have died from gun violence than Americans in Iraq, that is a terrible record. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #62

And every year it gets better. Nt hack89 Nov 2015 #64

Better in the fact more people die. it should not be any, we have lost our freedom to walk down the Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #66

Your irrational fears are your problem. hack89 Nov 2015 #68

no irrational thoughts is the problem, rational people would have this down to a sensible level. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #70

So give me a solution that conforms to the 2A. Let's talk. Nt hack89 Nov 2015 #72

Guns: the great equalizer loyalsister Nov 2015 #16

One....when it hits them in their own home. Until then it's.... yourout Nov 2015 #17

When 99.9x percent of people that own guns do not misuse them to commit gun violence... beevul Nov 2015 #18

Just a guess, edgineered Nov 2015 #23

I've considered that as well. beevul Nov 2015 #29

They never will. "Get rid of guns, because easy access to guns leads to increased deaths" Aristus Nov 2015 #20

Yet the prohibition argument always seems to begin and end with guns. hack89 Nov 2015 #32

A-a-a-a-a-a-nd this is why I've given up... Aristus Nov 2015 #39

I understand that you have a single issue agenda hack89 Nov 2015 #42

it's like madd , only when it happens to them then something needs to be done saturnsring Nov 2015 #24

They don't care about the deaths of children and others, just that they can keep buying as many Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #26

So TeddyR Nov 2015 #47

A toddler shoots someone every week in America EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #28

They relent their position in their last breath after having been shot NightWatcher Nov 2015 #30

They'll never relent. They must be compelled. (n/t) Iggo Nov 2015 #31

Good luck with that. Nt hack89 Nov 2015 #33

Compelled how? TeddyR Nov 2015 #49

Compelled? GGJohn Nov 2015 #84

. libodem Nov 2015 #34

They will never relent until their own families are random victims of shootings. In other words, NCjack Nov 2015 #35

Exactly. And even that sometimes doesn't change their belief that guns are more important SheilaT Nov 2015 #36

Absolutely! With the consent of victims' families, I fully support the release of these photos. LonePirate Nov 2015 #41

Before 1968 there was very little Kang Colby Nov 2015 #37

Yeah, that 5-day waiting period is such an outrageous injustice tabasco Nov 2015 #57

The National Firearms Act... Kang Colby Nov 2015 #62

Do you remember why those bills were passed? procon Nov 2015 #59

Do you know that.. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #71

How many alcohol deaths will make drinkers stop? LittleBlue Nov 2015 #40

When did someone use alcohol to murder a classroom of elementary school students? LonePirate Nov 2015 #44

When a drunk driver TeddyR Nov 2015 #51

Oh, cut the sh*t. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2015 #54

So what is your solution? TeddyR Nov 2015 #69

Got it - some deaths are not as important as others hack89 Nov 2015 #80

see post 83. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2015 #93

Neither do you, it would appear hack89 Nov 2015 #94

Really? And what would they be, TheCowsCameHome Nov 2015 #95

You are a single issue cultural warrior hack89 Nov 2015 #96

Thanks for the free analysis, TheCowsCameHome Nov 2015 #97

Thanks for making my point for me. hack89 Nov 2015 #99

"Swimming pools, ladders, household chemicals, blah, blah, blah." GGJohn Nov 2015 #86

Trumad... Texasgal Nov 2015 #48

We Have Many Many Many Many Problems FLson Nov 2015 #50

How about smart guns? I say no guns, but if not, why cant ALL gun people randys1 Nov 2015 #52

Because the technology is unreliable and can't be backfitted to existing weapons. hack89 Nov 2015 #67

Did you see 60 minutes this week Mnpaul Nov 2015 #90

I've surrendered on the gun issue theboss Nov 2015 #53

Old Dodge City was safer because the had and enforced actual gun control back then. -none Nov 2015 #89

Hey, the day's almost done without any breaking news of another mass killing by car/gun. Frustratedlady Nov 2015 #55

Mass killings are not the real problem, to be blunt. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #65

They will not relent TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #56

You mean your strategy of mocking gun owners hasn't worked so well? aikoaiko Nov 2015 #58

They'll never relent. Turbineguy Nov 2015 #60

Too many I fear Wotas Nov 2015 #61

The only way to stop a lone nut with a gun is to collect all the guns. It will never happen. nt Logical Nov 2015 #73

I FUCKING RELENT. There is a problem with criminals obtaining guns in this country. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #74

It's a religion. So not until their children say "Fuck you, dad. You and your guns are bullshit... hunter Nov 2015 #75

Just one... Contrary1 Nov 2015 #76

They will never relent. Never. They're psychos. nt valerief Nov 2015 #77

I really thought it would be different after Sandy Hook. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #78

Gun "lovers" won't ever relent nor see their own denial as part of the problem. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #79

Gun violence excites them. They enjoy being associated with it. greendog Nov 2015 #81

It will take a massacre at an NRA convention to change things Generic Brad Nov 2015 #82

gun nuts don't give a flying fuck about dead kids mwrguy Nov 2015 #83

They never will melman Nov 2015 #87

If I thought that if I gave up the few guns that I own Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #88

I'm not going to give up the ability to protect my family or myself, it's my moral obligation. ileus Nov 2015 #92

Wow! Back to Gunz Discussion. Or did it ever end? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #98