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114. Good Point

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:21 PM

Nov 2015

I live in Berkeley, CA, so I don't imagine there's ANY risk of a Repuke winning here. Nonetheless, I always show up on election day, and I vote.

After Secretary Clinton's vote for the Iraq war, I swore I'd never vote for her in an election, should she run. I guess I've mellowed over time, and while I find that vote a complete atrocity, I WOULD vote for Secretary Clinton in the general election.

I've gotten more pragmatic as I've gotten older. I lived in a deep red state for a few years and always felt enraged on election day, as my choices were usually between "bad" and "less bad." Again, while Clinton has done some things that have really pissed me off, I don't see it as a "bad" and "less bad" situation if it were between her and the current crop of Republican clowns. There is NO comparison. I have to think of what nominees we would have for the SCOTUS should one of the clowns win, not to mention what they would do to social security, Medicaid, Medicare, taxes, etc. Hillary, despite her numerous faults, would at least go as far as Obama has on THESE measures I just mentioned.

Again, I am a Sanders supporter, but I'm not going to paint myself into the corner and then cut off my nose to spite my face. I lived in Arkansas for a job a few years ago, and I was "forced" to vote for Mark Pryor for Senator. I was absolutely furious that I was in that situation, and I was actually more angry with Pryor, the so-called "Dem" candidate than I was with the Repuke. Nonetheless, my very, very liberal parents sat down with me and outlined what was at stake, and I did hold my nose and vote for Pryor. I couldn't say I "supported" him, but I understood the consequences of not voting, and a right-wing Democratic asshole like Pryor is FAR, FAR, FAR preferable to a right-wing, Repuke asshole. At least Pryor was pro-choice. And at least Pryor represented SOME of the things I supported versus the Republican who represented EVERYTHING I despised.

Sorry for the long response-- I got off track and just started pontificating!!

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Personally - I Am Tired Of Being An Afterthought To The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Party Establishment cantbeserious Nov 2015 #1

You're tired of being an after-thought, so your response is to position yourself ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #92

If you promise to vote for the democratic nominee you deleverage yourself with the DNC n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #94

And when you proudly announce that you will not vote for the Democratic nominee ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #125

And probably somoene who wont immediately be deeply harmed by rightwing randys1 Nov 2015 #184

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All of the Democratic candidates will move the needle to the left. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #205

Hillary is just barely doing it now, with a full array of caveats virtualobserver Nov 2015 #208

And you know this because ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #210

this ain't my first time at the rodeo? virtualobserver Nov 2015 #218

".....except the Lord didn't mention Hillary by name..." merrily Nov 2015 #219

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The scenario you describe does not leverage yourself with the DNC JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #304

I Will Vote My Conscience - If That Puts People At Risk - That Validates The Lesser Evil Argument cantbeserious Nov 2015 #113

I'm certain you will ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #127

One No Longer Needs Or Solicits Your Moralizing cantbeserious Nov 2015 #155

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Or allowing a con president to nominate SC justice who allows killing Women in alleys randys1 Nov 2015 #224

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Whomever wins the Primary--It's better a D gets in the White House than an R. nt TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #179

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Says the person voting for the person UNAFFILIATED to a party....yet NOT winning! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #55

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Congratulations. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #122

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So fucking what??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #164

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+1, excellent point. /nt Marr Nov 2015 #314

Been a Dem since 1959. fredamae Nov 2015 #80

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Imo-You are placing way too much fredamae Nov 2015 #87

Well funny.....we have been doing that for like what? Forever... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #88

The Registration Archive Stats in my state fredamae Nov 2015 #93

in your state.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #102

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Oh Oregon VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #141

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and why should the party care about what those folks think of them? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #90

Will they sing the Same song fredamae Nov 2015 #97

Yes they will..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #98

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wish I could say the same.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #100

No worries. :) n/t fredamae Nov 2015 #101

And why should they care if we vote? demwing Nov 2015 #121

Defintion of words Doubledee Nov 2015 #138

It does say for the purpose of ELECTING Democrats.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #193

Is it? Doubledee Nov 2015 #227

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Independent equals undependable? Doubledee Nov 2015 #229

Have you read the definition? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #231

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...^ that 840high Nov 2015 #268

So you won't vote for Bernie in the general? Quackers Nov 2015 #56

Yes I am saying....and so is HE by the way VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #67

I just wanted to verify. You won't vote for him. Quackers Nov 2015 #71

did I say that? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #72

That's what I was trying to clarify. Quackers Nov 2015 #76

but I still vote for O'Malley before Sanders.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #78

Don't count me out just yet, VR. Quackers Nov 2015 #79

Actually yes....I am.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #86

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Party blah blah groupthink blah blah rhetoric blah demwing Nov 2015 #120

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An honest question Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #129

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In name alone. hifiguy Nov 2015 #144

Hillary is not a Democrat AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #245

WTF??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #247

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In the General Election, I will vote for that candidate which best represents my views. Maedhros Nov 2015 #4

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It is conceivable I could vote Repubican HassleCat Nov 2015 #176

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The perfect is the enemy of the good. No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #10

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+1000 BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #333

Well said SheilaT....I concur! nt haikugal Nov 2015 #255

Thank you. +10 840high Nov 2015 #275

it's a tired, bullshit cliche especially when there isn't anything/one "good" in the equation. nt m-lekktor Nov 2015 #319

Thats an excellent reason to vote for Bernie! demwing Nov 2015 #124

How? And with what Congress? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #287

So you're counting on Clinton... what? Watching TV in the oval office for four years? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #296

I asked a pertinent question. With what Congress will a President Sanders "bring about BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #298

Except it's really not pertinent Scootaloo Nov 2015 #300

Actually it is, since I addressed the bold claim of that poster who might actually believe BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #308

A fine argument for someone supporting the worse of two positions. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #295

You may be mistaken re whom I'm supporting, if anyone. No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #305

++++++++infinity newfie11 Nov 2015 #34

Not according to MOST Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #43

You think our Democratic candidates are "evil"? Really? Please explain this. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #249

If you are so distraught Eko Nov 2015 #12

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nt sunnystarr Nov 2015 #16

I second that emotion! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #68

+10000 BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #108

Yes yes and YES! n/t moonscape Nov 2015 #198

You hit it out of the park. . . . BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #334

Are there people who are still going to claim America wants Conservatives to rule? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #13

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You do realize that anyone can sign up with DU and say... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #17

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Damn. Well put. n/t pampango Nov 2015 #21

"Heading more or less in the general direction of perfection..." CrispyQ Nov 2015 #58

I Will vote for the Democratic candidate yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #18

Amen to that! DFW Nov 2015 #96

yes Skittles Nov 2015 #22

yes, one DUer even proclaims it in their sig line. KG Nov 2015 #23

Never seen a Clinton supporter say that treestar Nov 2015 #24

I believe that is only because the Hillary supporters cannot envision the nominee being anyone but djean111 Nov 2015 #25

We'd happily support Bernie were he to win the primary. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #73

HRC Supporters Are Comfortable Voting For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils cantbeserious Nov 2015 #26

Only **IF** Illinois is up for grabs Martin Eden Nov 2015 #27

I think there is a lot of posturing that takes place daily on this board liberal N proud Nov 2015 #28

Only if Senator Clinton has a chance of winning in WV. a la izquierda Nov 2015 #29

Probably not many. The Sanders supporters who will not vote for Clinton are mostly-- eridani Nov 2015 #30

Not saying all these posters are right-wing trolls. . . B Calm Nov 2015 #31

Yes. They will be voting for Sanders...who, in fact, is not a Democrat. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #32

That's a feature, not a bug. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #152

That is not only an incorrect statement, it's a ludicrous one. You can't run for the Democratic merrily Nov 2015 #209

Right here, boyo. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #33

+1000 nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #183

"I'm not voting for that candidate" is complete bullshit by narcissists that want to be the prize Township75 Nov 2015 #35

I might not be voting "for" the Democractic candidate. I could be voting "against" the Republican. Vinca Nov 2015 #36

Me Etraker Nov 2015 #37

you do understand that just because bernie's the nominee that doesnt mean he will win the saturnsring Nov 2015 #39

Yes, I get that. Etraker Nov 2015 #40

no not the same result - saturnsring Nov 2015 #41

umm Etraker Nov 2015 #44

Thst depends entirely on the state in which one lives. hifiguy Nov 2015 #156

It's not that bad treestar Nov 2015 #47

Vainglorious Tilting At Windmills ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #61

For my own part, 'pride' has nothing to do with it. Maedhros Nov 2015 #153

damn straight! eom elana i am Nov 2015 #175

I don't vote for Republicans. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #38

BRAVO, Taz! Me, neither. hifiguy Nov 2015 #159

Republicans are the cartoonish distraction intended to keep our attention away Maedhros Nov 2015 #189

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That's all it takes? Reter Nov 2015 #52

Issues mean nothing. hifiguy Nov 2015 #162

you can add me. Etraker Nov 2015 #134

Please add me to your list. hifiguy Nov 2015 #163

You could put me on your list, but that would get in the way of your email stalking. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #254

As soon as you say.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #257

It's really not that hard to avoid hides. jeff47 Nov 2015 #258

Well check mine and see.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #259

You don't have to be cowed. You have to take a moment to be eloquent. jeff47 Nov 2015 #262

I dont have to do anything....I vote Democrat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #263

And bullshit .... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #264

Well, I am throwing in things that could get me a hide jeff47 Nov 2015 #265

Dude you have no idea what you are talking about VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #266

Why would I want to walk in your shoes? jeff47 Nov 2015 #270

Then dont pretend you know my experience VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #271

It's gall to take you at your word? jeff47 Nov 2015 #277

Do know wjlhat the word gall means? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #278

Yep! I can actually use a dictionary! jeff47 Nov 2015 #280

Excuse me...YOU were the initial whiner...I was just VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #282

Yes, the one complaining about alert stalking for posts like jeff47 Nov 2015 #290

BTW I aint no one's victim VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #273

Then you better go edit post 257. jeff47 Nov 2015 #276

Stating fact is not complaining VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #279

Might be true if you were stating a fact. jeff47 Nov 2015 #284

I was....thats the point....you know there VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #285

Yep. In fact we can all see what you really got hidden for. jeff47 Nov 2015 #292

I'll vote for Sanders or O'Malley only pengu Nov 2015 #46

I'll join you. 840high Nov 2015 #283

if hillary gets the nomination I do not know what i will do Amishman Nov 2015 #48

Yes. abelenkpe Nov 2015 #49

I find her more offensive than most politicians... TipTok Nov 2015 #50

"...ANY Democratic candidate would be a better alternative." CrispyQ Nov 2015 #54

That though I agree. Xyzse Nov 2015 #182

Why isn't this in GD-P? nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #57

I put it here,as it's a general question--not "really" about the primaries. BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #110

The "I may not vote Democratic" thing is exclusive to Sanders supporters. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #60

As far as I am concerned.... Etraker Nov 2015 #64

Hillary will never sign a bill that allows health insurers to once again discriminate Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #65

Not to mention the SCOTUS. . . . Imagine the justices the Repukes would nominate. . . . BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #111

don't be so sure Robbins Nov 2015 #130

She was busting her ass back in 1994 trying to get universal health coverage, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #145

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #62

Not this shit again. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #63

Any of the democrats currently Rebkeh Nov 2015 #69

So, most people live in either a deeply blue state or a deeply red state Kalidurga Nov 2015 #70

Agreed. Voters in genuine swing states will hold their nose and vote their party. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #75

Yep if I lived in a swing state I would proclaim my love for Hillary if she wins the nomination. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #77

I'll keep an eye on the polls, but I doubt my state's in play, either. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #84

Good Point BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #114

Well I don't think she is going to win the nomination. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #123

I'm in a non-swing state but I'm still inclined to hold my nose and vote for Clinton Jim Lane Nov 2015 #168

Well then that pretty much settles it for me. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #172

Haven't Made Up My Mind YET... But I AM ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #85

I will vote for who ever is left on the Democratic ticket and I don't have a dog in this race... Stellar Nov 2015 #95

I ryan_cats Nov 2015 #104

Me pinebox Nov 2015 #106

I will vote for the best candidate GummyBearz Nov 2015 #112

At DU, I've learned that Hillary doesn't need my vote demwing Nov 2015 #115

If Rubio is the nominee, and I think he will be, she will need every vote she can muster Purveyor Nov 2015 #133

The arrogance of the 'You WILL vote for HRH hifiguy Nov 2015 #157

Yep, and i'm done with it demwing Nov 2015 #177

oh hell yes. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #186

It's a big turn-off. 840high Nov 2015 #286

I'm afraid so. KamaAina Nov 2015 #116

Not voting for Hillary. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #119

I am a Hillary supporter, but I would definitely vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. hamsterjill Nov 2015 #126

I will vote for Clinton HassleCat Nov 2015 #131

Can't say at this time I will vote for her and I think this time Michigan is Purveyor Nov 2015 #132

I can't control the slimey liying bastards in the republican party. I can willvotesdem Nov 2015 #136

My state is as blue as the sky in presidential elections hifiguy Nov 2015 #137

Same Here The River Nov 2015 #146

Recall how it was that Bush was elected President, and remained so for 8 years. No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #142

Nader got 20,000 D votes. W got 200,000 D votes. jeff47 Nov 2015 #302

Many persons were angry/disgusted at Bill Clinton's behavior and could not get past that. No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #306

And you still are still ignoring W got 10x more votes jeff47 Nov 2015 #315

W got 10X more votes? Where did that occur? No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #320

:facepalm: jeff47 Nov 2015 #321

I'm sure you have a point there somewhere, but not sure what it is. No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #324

It's bullshit like this that prevents any change to the status quo. I don't care WHICH consonant is AzDar Nov 2015 #143

It's not about you Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #149

Yes. And I don't need to 'justify' anything to the Anointed Priesthood. Shandris Nov 2015 #151

These kinds of threads should end. Really. It's been a year or more. Enough really is enough. merrily Nov 2015 #154

I must have missed them. I've been around since 2001 and am back BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #212

Not only in OPs but in reply after reply, to the point of hectoring at times. Also, in polls. merrily Nov 2015 #217

I'm pretty sure I've seen one of them 'convert' several times over. Marr Nov 2015 #317

Bread and Circus's "Have you flipped" thread is hilarious, too. merrily Nov 2015 #322

Let's cross that bridge when we come to it. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #158

Oh heck yeah jberryhill Nov 2015 #160

Thank you for that. Teddy Kennedy understood and did the right thing. nt No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #165

The right thing? jberryhill Nov 2015 #169

1976. nt No Vested Interest Nov 2015 #171

Present.. frylock Nov 2015 #166

Judging by at least some of the posts here Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #167

. . . Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #174

Right? OMG, the cognitive dissonance ... AzDar Nov 2015 #178

+1, lol. /nt Marr Nov 2015 #318

do you not see ANY irony in your statement? elana i am Nov 2015 #180

good grief, do we have to have one of these EVERY day? restorefreedom Nov 2015 #188

No, I won't bbmykel Nov 2015 #190

War is the worst thing caused by man. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #195

Wasn't racism Muhammed Ali's take on wars against people of color, or akin to it? merrily Nov 2015 #207

I know he said he didn't want to go 10,000 miles from home and kill innocent brown people. n/t cpwm17 Nov 2015 #220

Went to jail for it. Still revered. Times change. We're "morally flexible gasbags" now, to quote merrily Nov 2015 #222

Gosh, what a patriot. I am floored by his devotion. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #246

DanTex has completely convinced me that it won't matter to my life if a republican aikoaiko Nov 2015 #196

I'm tired of the passive aggressive lesser of two evils shit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #200

Thanks for the fresh take FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #203

I guess I missed the fresh part? Hold your nose and vote Democratic, no matter what, regardless of merrily Nov 2015 #211

I will vote for the DEM. Candidate, and.... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #206

When you vote for the lesser of two evils Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #215

...+1 840high Nov 2015 #288

Yes. Chan790 Nov 2015 #221

I'll vote for any Dem candidate except for one. nt Zorra Nov 2015 #223

Seconded as vociferously as I possibly can. hifiguy Nov 2015 #240

A number of brand new posters here who are advocating not voting for the Democratic nominee. Squinch Nov 2015 #228

I was wondering the same thing. . . . BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #242

And more than 5 of those people running around saying, "Don't vote for the Democrat!!!" Squinch Nov 2015 #329

I do not like Clinton, but will gladly hold my nose and vote for her over any GOP idiot. nt Logical Nov 2015 #235

Hillary supporters will only vote for a Democrat. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #239

Yes, and they keep calling the rest of us "Third Wayers" as a generic insult.... Hekate Nov 2015 #241

This isnt a monarchy. Clinton has already had 2 terms. climber3986 Nov 2015 #243

I'll vote Green if Clinton's the nominee. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #252

You could write in Bernie. merrily Nov 2015 #281

Exactly what I plan to do. 840high Nov 2015 #291

There sure are. I'm one of them. liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #253

If Clinton doesn't apologize for her DOMA remarks, I won't. Prism Nov 2015 #260

Oh, I think she will. She is a realist and will see the handwriting on the wall and the CTyankee Nov 2015 #335

One fellow proudly wears such a declaration as his signature line Scootaloo Nov 2015 #294

I won't vote for Hillary under any circumstances. Zavulon Nov 2015 #297

I'm in Clalifornia. The winner of the GE for president does not depend on California's voters or my JDPriestly Nov 2015 #303

It won't affect me, because in Indiana we usually don't have a choice. The idea that all silvershadow Nov 2015 #307

As a Democrat and a strategic voter, I will support the nominee. Thinking of working for Clinton-- eridani Nov 2015 #309

The worst Democrat is still better than the best Republican GOLGO 13 Nov 2015 #311

If Hillary Clinton loses, it's because she employed a losing strategy, period. Marr Nov 2015 #316

Is this a tombstone troll? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #326

I'm not sure what that is, but it doesn't sound nice! BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #332