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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
74. The facile cynical indifference you describe is usually just a mask for
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

disinterest, laziness and irresponsibility.

Ignorance causes people to be easily frustrated and disaffected and thus easy marks for those who want to discourage voting. The typical "American worker" you describe has no idea if anyone represents him or not because he's ignorant -- a self-made rube, a sucker for manipulation. There are many fine people, in fact, who are fighting for the various working classes, but very few of the people you describe bother to learn that. Or they'd have a lot more respect for people who deserve it -- and a lot of the victories they say they want but refuse to work for themselves.

The more one knows about our democratic systems and our history, the more one tends to respect both and to understand the enormous difficulties that stand between aspiration and reality. It's not just most people "out there" who haven't reached that understanding, but many here. I want! I want now! Don't bother me, just give me mine! Always someone else's fault when their hands remain empty.

The simple fact is that the education that leads to understanding and good citizenship requires investment of time and effort at best, but many people have very little, if any, thirst for knowledge, and for them education is a very irritating and tiresome task. They are just not interested.

Also, only half the people in this country read well enough to handle dense text without tough sledding, such as in a newspaper or on-line journal. For many millions complex ideas must be available in simple sentence form if they are to be understood at all -- but those are wasted anyway on people who avoid reading as much as possible.

Then you have the people who can be fooled most of the time and those who can be fooled all the time. In both cases, we now know it's usually because they insist on it. They want their preconceptions verified, thank you, and anything that contradicts is rejected. The biggest weakness to manipulation of all.

The fact is, for over 30 years the right has used sophisticated advertising techniques to encourage everyone it can reach to be the worst citizen versions of themselves possible. And it's worked. Here we are.

The fewer who vote, the better the right does.

When incomes drop, individual wellbeing drops and people turn more conservative.

When individual wellbeing goes down, so do voting rates.

The more discouraged people are, the less likely they are to pay attention at all, much less vote.

The longer a popular change is delayed, the more people are discouraged -- because ignorance encourages them to believe change will happen quickly if it's going to happen at all and to give up when cynically engineered delays "confirm" that inexcusably foolish misconception.

You get the idea? That is what is happening. The GOP fought a robust recovery from the Great Recession because anxiety works so well for them.

So, when you describe people who don't bother to vote, At Heart, I think you can see that IMO, although some may be fine people in some respects, as citizens they really stink and really should be ashamed of themselves. No excuses for them. Their negligence earns them the results of their many failures of duty, even if their children and the rest of us do not deserve what they do to us all and to what could be a great, prosperous, happy nation -- but is not.

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I will do the same HassleCat Nov 2015 #1
The top two both have good and bad. xmas74 Nov 2015 #3
We don't have a nominee yet - 840high Nov 2015 #2
Which is why I'm tired of seeing this crap about how xmas74 Nov 2015 #5
It is the primary. Those people may well not vote. It's not a threat. It is a very real silvershadow Nov 2015 #17
We not only have far left radicals at DU, we also have conservatives. Hortensis Nov 2015 #47
The majority of people in this country don't vote and they don't vote because they feel liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #57
The facile cynical indifference you describe is usually just a mask for Hortensis Nov 2015 #74
This place used to be reserved for center-left Democrats -- not conservative Dems, Gormy Cuss Nov 2015 #71
I wasn't here then, but it would have been more like what Hortensis Nov 2015 #75
Yes it is. xmas74 Nov 2015 #90
I remember that, too. hifiguy Nov 2015 #91
I remember that too. xmas74 Nov 2015 #106
DU changed on 1/20/2009 because of one huge reason. Efilroft Sul Nov 2015 #122
Eh, people always say this during the primaries Recursion Nov 2015 #4
I know, I've been around through a few of these here on DU. xmas74 Nov 2015 #6
It's your vote , kacekwl Nov 2015 #7
No its not... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #11
You have the freedom to vote for whomever you want. If you want to vote for the liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #8
Good post. 840high Nov 2015 #14
Bravo. SoapBox Nov 2015 #15
Yes cantbeserious Nov 2015 #16
Lovely and passionate, but irrelevant Orrex Nov 2015 #46
I wasn't here then, Orrex, and wouldn't want those days back, Hortensis Nov 2015 #49
This forum was never intended as a venue for bashing the Democratic candidate Orrex Nov 2015 #59
Your opinion is just an opinion and like mine is also irrelevant. liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #51
Now you're just grandstanding. Orrex Nov 2015 #56
Like I said your opinion is no more important than mine and vice versa. liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #58
But that's another red herring--I'm not stating my opinion Orrex Nov 2015 #63
+1 nt snappyturtle Nov 2015 #62
100% agree. closeupready Nov 2015 #88
Obvious is obvious. But not the OP's point, which is NOT the silent "conscience," but the declared WinkyDink Nov 2015 #95
yup Skittles Nov 2015 #9
I tombstone them to my ignore list VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #10
Really? Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #19
Do they? Control-Z Nov 2015 #21
it happened in 2008 as well DrDan Nov 2015 #42
I'm not familiar with redstate. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #23
Maybe you should VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #30
Yes. Lots of them VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #29
I just learned something hifiguy Nov 2015 #92
yep.... Roy Ellefson Nov 2015 #123
+100 kath Nov 2015 #124
Ditto N/T Old Codger Nov 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #13
It's way past time, thanks Hekate Nov 2015 #26
I'm going to follow your lead 1000words and just put these people on ignore. DU is a much more liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #18
K & R ... BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #20
Is it purge time already? Marrah_G Nov 2015 #22
You betcha. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #27
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #24
Exactly! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #31
I can't believe that was hidden! B Calm Nov 2015 #33
Well considering my last hide VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #34
Jurors should drink at the very least one cup of coffee before voting. There are political parties B Calm Nov 2015 #35
Nor Can I ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #41
Results of Jury B Calm Nov 2015 #45
We'll have to put up with this silliness until Hillary takes the nomination. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #52
The word hate might be strong, but the post is basically Hortensis Nov 2015 #81
Looks like the truth caused some military-grade butthurt, doesn't it? Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #121
+1. Sometimes a good purgative is just what the doctor ordered to restore balance Hekate Nov 2015 #25
Yep Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #50
Dumb, but I can't remember where to find the TOS. Hortensis Nov 2015 #84
Yes it did xmas74 Nov 2015 #103
I do also - and thought about that yesterday while reading that disturbing thread DrDan Nov 2015 #28
it makes us look like a joke. xmas74 Nov 2015 #110
got that right - look what happened Tuesday as well as the past couple elections DrDan Nov 2015 #125
Yes. I remember those days too. I will also vote for and support our livetohike Nov 2015 #32
In the gungeon, they're celebrating Democratic losses in VA SecularMotion Nov 2015 #36
I remember the days of DU too Fumesucker Nov 2015 #37
When has that changed, links? B Calm Nov 2015 #38
I didn't notice any links in the OP Fumesucker Nov 2015 #39
Didn't think you could prove it, but you never know. . B Calm Nov 2015 #40
Yeah, whatever happened to those tombstones? Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2015 #43
Maybe they'll be back once we have a nominee... Phentex Nov 2015 #44
I will too, but arguing for lesser of two evils is a poor strategy if voter enthusiasm is important Bradical79 Nov 2015 #48
I remember when Democrats were like Paul Wellstone. Octafish Nov 2015 #53
I was wearing my Bernie T-shirt yesterday and went to a local store when Dems sometime hang LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #54
I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the ballot. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #55
that's only after the primaries when the general starts lame54 Nov 2015 #61
I'm with you. SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #64
I think if the polls were flipped, with HRC as behind as she is ahead now... That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #65
No. xmas74 Nov 2015 #67
As would I That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #68
LOL stage left Nov 2015 #85
Missouri xmas74 Nov 2015 #87
You have a Dem governor, stage left Nov 2015 #128
After attending a rally, this is the first time ever that I truly believe the polls ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #80
No way! B Calm Nov 2015 #107
I still cannot believe anyone would sit this one out and be Grumpy Cat all day long. Rex Nov 2015 #66
I remember when everyone was against war with Syria grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #70
At this point the "I will NEVER vote for xxx if s/he wins the nomination" crowd are getting a pass, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #72
Are you Blue-ish? Iggo Nov 2015 #73
Blue in a red state xmas74 Nov 2015 #89
I remember when the party was't predicated on repeatedly punting primaries so the race MisterP Nov 2015 #76
They are absolutely gone, I just proved it. I just alerted on someone who said that on purpose randys1 Nov 2015 #77
It decided to follow the actual ToS instead of the one in your head? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #78
Been here a bit longer than you, and I don't remember those days...only after the ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #79
I've had a few nasty pm xmas74 Nov 2015 #93
Ohhhhh, I can't STAND when people take to PMs. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #97
It's ok. xmas74 Nov 2015 #101
I don't care. Maedhros Nov 2015 #82
Oh, gee, how different from all the rest of us. Are there two of you, I hope? Hortensis Nov 2015 #98
Think there's not a difference between GOP and Dems? xmas74 Nov 2015 #100
Please re-read my post. There is nothing in it that even suggests the two parties are the same. Maedhros Nov 2015 #104
those days didn't really exist.... mike_c Nov 2015 #83
Must've been before 2008. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #86
I remember that too. xmas74 Nov 2015 #105
Big "D" here! WinkyDink Nov 2015 #94
"Democratic members" who view the Party as being too corporate.... BKH70041 Nov 2015 #96
Your deference to the status quo is duly noted. Efilroft Sul Nov 2015 #109
Not only will I vote for Sanders if he's the nominee... brooklynite Nov 2015 #99
Sanders? xmas74 Nov 2015 #102
I will support and vote for the Democratic candidate Gothmog Nov 2015 #108
Vote your conscience! Nader 2000! VOX Nov 2015 #111
the good old days! xmas74 Nov 2015 #112
+1 B Calm Nov 2015 #115
i miss the good mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2015 #113
I remember those days. . . . BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #114
That all died when calling Obama a war criminal or a used car salesmen was permitted ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #116
I remember those days and was disgusted. xmas74 Nov 2015 #118
Do you not have an ignore list like the rest of us? LittleBlue Nov 2015 #117
I don't even know where to begin anymore. xmas74 Nov 2015 #119
Neither is my dream candidate Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #120
cast your vote as you please , I won't vote hillary bowens43 Nov 2015 #126
The goal of this site has always been to xmas74 Nov 2015 #127
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