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72. Well, I mean, by all signs he's about to.

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:37 AM

Nov 2015

The TPP negotiations, which will replace NAFTA if they are implemented, have been going on throughout his administration, and it's at least plausible that they will be signed and ratified.

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Obama's Big Lie about "renegotiating NAFTA" comes back to gut-punch laid-off Kraft/Heinz workers [View all] brentspeak Nov 2015 OP

Yea all Obama's fault Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #1

The lie was. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #20

Curious the point? Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #74

Yes, I guess I am. I dislike being lied to - particularly by people I trusted. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #75

Simply self-identifying as a Democrat fredamae Nov 2015 #78

I am a Democrat and I believe true Democrats hold their representatives accountable. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #81

Said nobody n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #39

One of the closed plants is in my neck of the woods. Crap. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #2

Your link doesn't say anything about jobs going to Mexico. Like Krugman said, Hoyt Nov 2015 #3

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #4

if only ghosts did that. i would pay them. nt. JanMichael Nov 2015 #6

. Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #10

+1. hifiguy Nov 2015 #19

LOL! merrily Nov 2015 #66

That's not accurate davekriss Nov 2015 #14

I knew that "promise" was a lie hifiguy Nov 2015 #5

His comfortable walking shoes never made an appearance Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #8

The best you can say about Obama and labor hifiguy Nov 2015 #11

And people wonder why so many of us aren't enthused for another Clinton presidency. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #34

Eeyup. hifiguy Nov 2015 #36

....x10+ 840high Nov 2015 #55

He has NOT been strong on labor, and that, plus his TPP push whathehell Nov 2015 #83

yep. Phlem Nov 2015 #15

Well, it will be rammed down our throats hifiguy Nov 2015 #18

I agree with you totally. Phlem Nov 2015 #26

It's not being rammed down our throats....this baby is a suppository. yourout Nov 2015 #31

And it's big enough for a bull elephant. hifiguy Nov 2015 #33

k/r nationalize the fed Nov 2015 #7

Well that was a hifiguy Nov 2015 #12

The Republicans do it too. They just don't announce it. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #51

Your link doesn't say anything about Mexico. While layoffs are bad, tough to blame on Obama. Hoyt Nov 2015 #9

That's the part I don't really get. Thor_MN Nov 2015 #54

This is Democratic Underground shenmue Nov 2015 #13

Oh that's right Phlem Nov 2015 #17

NO, how about question the people in charge. passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #46

Yep. Been there done that. The last straw was working for Mormons. Phlem Nov 2015 #56

We have the power of social media now. We never had that before. passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #60

Your solid man. I like you. Phlem Nov 2015 #62

Thanks...we all need to keep up the good fight passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #63

Exactly. Phlem Nov 2015 #64

So will I. 840high Nov 2015 #57

It's tough to tell with all the cheering for union busting, off shoring, healthcare profiteers, Doctor_J Nov 2015 #82

So those people posting here that want to alert, lock, hide and ban all that don't agree with their rhett o rick Nov 2015 #84

Heinz as in john kerry's wife Heinz? saturnsring Nov 2015 #16

Heinz was sold to Buffet's company Berkshire Hathaway & a South American company Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #23

Warren Buffett Quadrupled His Ketchup Investment Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #28

yeay Warren and BH investors! Phlem Nov 2015 #35

Many people have that stock in their 401ks, mutual funds, etc Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #37

probably more of the latter. Phlem Nov 2015 #38

Social Responsible Investing Can Be Profitable Too: 2 Funds to Buy - Mutual Fund Commentary Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #41

Thanks for that Steve. Phlem Nov 2015 #50

Your welcome Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #53

that's a lot of info thanks os saturnsring Nov 2015 #77

Teresa Heinz Kerry and her sons was NEVER involved with Heinz Corporation karynnj Nov 2015 #59

Conservative Democrats don't give a fuck if 2 or 3 more million jobs go to India and China and whereisjustice Nov 2015 #21

+100. nt whathehell Nov 2015 #22

Damn straight. hifiguy Nov 2015 #27

You obviously don't know what's going Phlem Nov 2015 #32

From the February 2009 debates: bhikkhu Nov 2015 #40

... Phlem Nov 2015 #49

Not that Hillary is different, rather that circumstances changed bhikkhu Nov 2015 #73

Amen. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #69

TPP *is* a re-negotiation of NAFTA Recursion Nov 2015 #24

NAFTA is an agreement between Canada, USA and Mexico. jwirr Nov 2015 #42

But the US, Mexico, and Canada are in it, so if it passes it replaces NAFTA Recursion Nov 2015 #44

Shhh Egnever Nov 2015 #65

Changing the terms of our trade with Canada and Mexico is, apparently, not "renegotiating" them pampango Nov 2015 #70

Especially amusing is that opposing the TPP means fighting for... NAFTA. Recursion Nov 2015 #71

And where is there anything about Mexico in that article? (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #25

The article says the jobs are being moved to Mexico. jwirr Nov 2015 #43

Uhh... no. Recursion Nov 2015 #45

No, the OP's title says that. The article does not. Hoyt Nov 2015 #47

What? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #48

It's not clear *any* factory is taking on more employees Recursion Nov 2015 #68

So how much of a raise is Kraft/Heinz CEO going to get out of this? Initech Nov 2015 #29

You already know the answer. Phlem Nov 2015 #30

Now this is a big lie. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #52

How could he have gotten a renegotiated treaty through Congress? pnwmom Nov 2015 #58

How do you know he even tried? 840high Nov 2015 #61

I'm not the one saying he's a liar. I'm the one asking for the evidence. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #67

Well, I mean, by all signs he's about to. Recursion Nov 2015 #72

He's about to. jeff47 Nov 2015 #79

The cuts are in management from what I've read, not factory workers. blm Nov 2015 #76

They're closing the factory. Where would the workers do their jobs? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #80