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Octafish

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84. DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:41 AM
Nov 2015

They said that the best time for attack was "sometime in the fall of 1963," ensuring the nation's maximum nuclear superiority over the Soviet Union. To them, an all-out surprise nuclear attack would end communism, once and for all. The thought that nuclear war might end us "forever," too, must not have occurred to them.



Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?

Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.

James K. Galbraith and Heather A. Purcell
The American Prospect | September 21, 1994

During the early 1960s the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) introduced the world to the possibility of instant total war. Thirty years later, no nation has yet fired any nuclear missile at a real target. Orthodox history holds that a succession of defensive nuclear doctrines and strategies -- from "massive retaliation" to "mutual assured destruction" -- worked, almost seamlessly, to deter Soviet aggression against the United States and to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.

The possibility of U.S. aggression in nuclear conflict is seldom considered. And why should it be? Virtually nothing in the public record suggests that high U.S. authorities ever contemplated a first strike against the Soviet Union, except in response to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, or that they doubted the deterrent power of Soviet nuclear forces. The main documented exception was the Air Force Chief of Staff in the early 1960s, Curtis LeMay, a seemingly idiosyncratic case.

But beginning in 1957 the U.S. military did prepare plans for a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.S.R., based on our growing lead in land-based missiles. And top military and intelligence leaders presented an assessment of those plans to President John F. Kennedy in July of 1961. At that time, some high Air Force and CIA leaders apparently believed that a window of outright ballistic missile superiority, perhaps sufficient for a successful first strike, would be open in late 1963.

The document reproduced opposite is published here for the first time. It describes a meeting of the National Security Council on July 20, 1961. At that meeting, the document shows, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, and others presented plans for a surprise attack. They answered some questions from Kennedy about timing and effects, and promised further information. The meeting recessed under a presidential injunction of secrecy that has not been broken until now.

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http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963



Makes one see where they got the idea for "Better Dead than Red."



The Real Eisenhower: Planning to Win Nuclear War

by Ira Chernus
Common Dreams
March 18, 2008

Peace activists love to quote Dwight Eisenhower. The iconic Republican war hero spoke so eloquently about the dangers of war and the need for disarmament. He makes a terrific poster-boy for peace. But after years of research and writing three books on Ike, I think it's time to see the real Eisenhower stand up. The president who planned to fight and win a nuclear war, saying "he would rather be atomized than communized," reminds us how dangerous the cold war era really was, how much our leaders will put us all at risk in the name of "national security," and how easily they can mask their intentions behind benign images.

From first to last, Eisenhower was a confirmed cold warrior. Years before he became president, while he was publicly promoting cooperation with the Soviet Union, he wrote in his diary: "Russia is definitely out to communize the world....Now we face a battle to extinction." On the home front, he warned that liberal Democrats were leading the U.S. "toward total socialism."

SNIP…

For Eisenhower, the point of amassing a huge nuclear arsenal was not to deter war but to win it. This was enshrined as official policy in NSC 5810/1: "The United States must make clear its determination to prevail if general war occurs." The only meaningful war aim, he told the NSC, was "to achieve a victory." He described his war plan as "Hit the guy fast with all you've got if he jumps on you"; "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket."

SNIP…

Eisenhower assumed that a post-holocaust America would be a totalitarian state, ruled by martial law. But he worried about (among other things) what would happen to the credit structure of the country and how to print and sell war bonds to finance the next war if Washington were destroyed. At one NSC meeting he complained that if the President and the Vice President were "knocked off," the "damnable" law of succession would result in the Democrats (he called them "the other team&quot taking the White House. "To assure against that happening, the President thought the Vice President should be put in cotton batting."

SNIP…

And we ignore it at our peril, because it was a policy that put anticommunist ideology above human life, made by a man who would "push whole stack of chips into the pot" and "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket"; who would "shoot your enemy before he shoots you"; who believed that the U.S. could "pick itself up from the floor" and win a nuclear war, even though "everybody is going crazy," as long as "only" 25 or 30 American cities got "shellacked" and nobody got too "hysterical."

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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/18/7742



Besides those cockroaches crawling out with Henry Kissinger and Donald Rumsfeld from the undermountain secret command bunker, there might not be many Americans around after hitting them with "everything in the bucket," but, hey! As Eisenhower and crazy Gen. Powers said, even if only one American survives and no Russians, "We win!"

PS: Thank you for caring about democracy, ohheckyeah.
This is no surprise. Even back in the day, there were very few Arkansas Granny Oct 2015 #1
Remarkable, considering how Corporate McPravda has only played the lone nut tune since Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Oct 2015 #5
K & R MoreGOPoop Oct 2015 #15
The Safari Club Octafish Nov 2015 #85
"Deep State" MoreGOPoop Nov 2015 #90
I have never believed that the two assinations were a jwirr Oct 2015 #30
Absolutely, jwirr: The nation and world have not been the same since. Octafish Nov 2015 #86
I know and thank you for this info. I wonder what we would jwirr Nov 2015 #88
I never did. I was 22 when JFK was killed. trof Oct 2015 #45
was it not commonly known in 1963 that the CIA worked with the mafia? GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #2
No. Neither were the CIA-Mafia assassination contracts on Castro and Cuban leadership. Octafish Oct 2015 #6
Thank You Bobcat Oct 2015 #11
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K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #3
What President Truman wrote about CIA very much concerned Allen Dulles... Octafish Oct 2015 #8
Duh! malaise Oct 2015 #4
Prescott Bush wrote to Clover Dulles... Octafish Oct 2015 #26
Thanks Octafish malaise Oct 2015 #29
You are most welcome, malaise! Octafish Oct 2015 #38
Important info crucial to understanding today's deep state. K&R! nt riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #7
The Origins of the Overclass Octafish Oct 2015 #39
Recommended. panader0 Oct 2015 #9
CIA hid Mafia assassination program by claiming ''Top Secret'' Octafish Oct 2015 #40
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters IDemo Oct 2015 #10
That video.... CanSocDem Oct 2015 #32
I believe Gerald Ford said before he died lovuian Oct 2015 #12
A book deal thing... Octafish Oct 2015 #50
For a change this won't get locked as conspiracy Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #13
The issue is truth. Octafish Oct 2015 #18
OMG, not again! Getting old! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #20
That's your opinion. Octafish Oct 2015 #24
Oswald did it but keep up the dream. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #25
That's what Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover said. Octafish Oct 2015 #27
OH FFS, i get it that CTs are fun, but give it up! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #28
I won't give up, as I think perpetrators are still at large. Octafish Oct 2015 #34
LOL! I find it funny how sad some are here that they cannot allow others to talk Rex Oct 2015 #41
+1 dmr Oct 2015 #70
Then just keep fucking scrolling Oilwellian Oct 2015 #68
Lol, there is a dedicated forum for this stuff. Lok for it. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #72
is it not appropriate discussion restorefreedom Oct 2015 #78
I found John Davis' "Mafia Kingfisher: Carlos Marcello and the and the Assassination of John F. ... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #58
"What the agency believed was the 'best truth' whathehell Oct 2015 #14
THAT is the crux of the dilemma: Secret Government does not trump the Constitution. Octafish Oct 2015 #35
We were lying before, but we're telling the truth now. Honest. Case closed. Karmadillo Oct 2015 #16
My Q: If they obstructed justice in the context of the JFK assassination... Octafish Oct 2015 #37
K&R Go Vols Oct 2015 #17
One of the most complete reports on the story... Octafish Oct 2015 #49
No wonder he did that. lonestarnot Oct 2015 #19
POLITICO as the fountainhead is interesting, too. Octafish Oct 2015 #52
It really doesn't matter unless McCone suppressed material evidence struggle4progress Oct 2015 #21
Which is exactly what McCone did. Octafish Oct 2015 #53
Re: this conspiracy theory... YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #22
Consistent with Talbot’s claims JFK’s policies did pose a dire threat to “deep power” interests MinM Oct 2015 #33
I cannot wait to read that book. hifiguy Oct 2015 #42
JFK v Allen W Dulles part ii MinM Oct 2015 #51
K&R! Thanks for the thread, octafish! Also, thanks for your tireless dedication to exposing the Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #23
McCone had ties to Reagan Octafish Oct 2015 #60
Where is your...ahem!...fan club? nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #31
They pretend I'm supposed to side with Dean Wormer. Octafish Oct 2015 #61
Allen Dulles, the very man Kennedy fired for the Bay of Pigs fiasco hifiguy Oct 2015 #36
Dulles knew Bay of Pigs Operation was COMPROMISED, yet gave it his blessing... Octafish Oct 2015 #62
A JFK post on October 14?! KamaAina Oct 2015 #43
You don't like JFK? Octafish Oct 2015 #63
Love him, but DU's annual JFK-fest doesn't usually start intil next month KamaAina Oct 2015 #66
Thanks, KamaAina! Octafish Oct 2015 #67
N.B. The Moonies now own UPI. KamaAina Oct 2015 #44
(U) DCI John McCone and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy - David Robarge Octafish Oct 2015 #46
UPI MinM Oct 2015 #48
k & r & thanks! Ignore the anti-truth brigade here as I do wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #47
Justice stepped up for Plutocracy Octafish Oct 2015 #65
The Murder of JFK: Another Puzzle Piece Solved eridani Oct 2015 #54
''...the JFK case is being solved, thanks largely to the brute force of the power of the Internet.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #55
The Murder of JFK, Part 2: Counterfeit ID Planted in Oswald's Wallet? eridani Oct 2015 #56
When was the planted wallet discussed in Warren Report or on television? Octafish Oct 2015 #71
k&r nt bananas Oct 2015 #57
Winchester 2525 Octafish Oct 2015 #69
What's Winchester 2525? bananas Oct 2015 #79
Exactly: Fusing Winchester '73 and ''In the Year 2525''... Octafish Oct 2015 #80
The JFK, RFK, Hoover, Mob connections may hit Broadway soon.... Gloria Oct 2015 #59
Seymour Hersh got taken in by someone foisting disinformation. Octafish Oct 2015 #73
Reznikoff and Hersh hoodwinked by fake documents | The Education Forum MinM Oct 2015 #74
''He made mistakes he didn't know he could make...(or)...suspect.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #76
Play's run is over...btw, it touched on how the Gloria Oct 2015 #77
A 'benign cover up'...wow they sling the bullshit fast and hard! Rex Oct 2015 #64
Escalation of hypotheses, each revealing more plausible deniability. Octafish Oct 2015 #75
k&r nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #81
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Operation Northwoods ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #83
DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961. Octafish Nov 2015 #84
Funny how one sentence ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #89
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