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angrychair

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81. All politics is local

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:33 AM

Nov 2015

We need a canidiate and a cause that goes a different direction, if my choices are light grey and dark grey, what the hell do I care who wins. The age of the 'superstar' candidate is dead. Presidential politics won't carry the day alone anymore...coattails Are not what they used to be. We need the on the ground, grassroots local government candidates to carry the day.

If I tell people I need your taxes dollars for this thing or that thing and it never happens or takes years and more tax dollars and the benefit is not as visible anymore, it makes me less inclined to believe you next time you need my money or effort.
Our candidates have to matter. They have to be different. We need to refocus our efforts at the town, county and state levels.

All politics is local

Win the hearts and minds at a town, county and state level, you win them at a federal level. Talk to people, listen to people and be accountable to people.

I am a progressive. Ask me why.

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Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. [View all] Scuba Nov 2015 OP

And it's Obama's fault because .........? kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #1

Because... Javaman Nov 2015 #23

Amazing that the OP never blamed obama. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #44

Except for the part where he said "That's some legacy" Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #69

Looks like Obama blaming to me! B Calm Nov 2015 #71

It is his legacy. morningfog Nov 2015 #87

That's not blame. That's simple notation of fact Scootaloo Nov 2015 #163

I just don't like the implication that Obama never did anything to help state candidates Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #216

This is the result of the Republcians' grassroots campaign that starts at the local level. olegramps Nov 2015 #56

You're correct in this. haikugal Nov 2015 #82

This one ^^^ The GOP knows how to mobilize its base, the DNC would rather suppress it to raise $$$. leveymg Nov 2015 #108

Plus gerrymandering and money Depaysement Nov 2015 #202

Yes, but the Gerrymandering is the end result of their campaign. olegramps Nov 2015 #214

It's not all his fault, but he has played a part in these losses. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #90

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Nov 2015 #112

+1000 and DWS is as useless as hifiguy Nov 2015 #159

She doesn't conduct herself Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #165

But she'd be warmly welcomed and applauded by hifiguy Nov 2015 #166

I was about to post that very thing before I read yours. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #174

Who appointed the DNC Chair? frylock Nov 2015 #113

You might give some consideration to the wholesale theft going on via voting machines. Stevepol Nov 2015 #152

The Democratic Party never bothered... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #175

complete bs Skittles Nov 2015 #186

Running the party is not his job. It IS the job of the DNC n/t eridani Nov 2015 #200

WTF, I sure as hell don't blame Obama! B Calm Nov 2015 #2

Yeah, cause someone else appointed DWS! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #22

She was appointed by the DNC! B Calm Nov 2015 #27

I'll be darned, I stand corrected. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #39

When there is a Democrat in the White House, his choice always wins that vote. jeff47 Nov 2015 #88

Exactly! ananda Nov 2015 #32

No it's on the DNC, they appointed her! B Calm Nov 2015 #98

False. former9thward Nov 2015 #105

No matter who he recommends, the selection is still appointed by the DNC! B Calm Nov 2015 #107

I guess you probably should tell the party officials former9thward Nov 2015 #158

I blame Obama fasttense Nov 2015 #26

Urban 'identy' politics pscot Nov 2015 #47

Neither did the civil rights movement... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #73

True enough pscot Nov 2015 #117

LOL! Of course you do! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #67

The leadership of a hard left Democratic Socialist worked very well in the 30s. eridani Nov 2015 #201

Maybe you need to sit this one out and let the grownups talk... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #74

Congratulations, you won the jury! Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #110

I love #7. Wanting to keep a poster from participating in the discussion, because valerief Nov 2015 #143

And you think you are a grown up? fasttense Nov 2015 #172

Well put and I think the same thing. He's been effective. nt haikugal Nov 2015 #83

Oh, Puleeese! RobinA Nov 2015 #208

Another thought on this. People (both parties) were so much ABC (anybody but Clinton) kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #3

You oughta know. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #18

LOL malokvale77 Nov 2015 #176

There wasn't much to choose between Clinton and Obama... 1monster Nov 2015 #41

I liked Kucinich a lot in '08. hifiguy Nov 2015 #162

My first choice was Edwards. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #177

You are the person who blamed LGBT for the loss in the 2014 election the following morning on Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #181

OWCH! davidpdx Nov 2015 #203

wasn't a big part of it the very bad luck of 2010 being a census year and the same year there was Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #4

Bingo! The ACA backlash destroyed us in 2010 which led to redistricting devastation in 2012 and 2014 LonePirate Nov 2015 #34

Bullshit, people staying home because they did not get a pony THAT what led to the redistricting krawhitham Nov 2015 #85

So are DU emoprogs all-powerful or completely irrelevant? frylock Nov 2015 #115

No, our 2010 campaign theme was "OH MY GOD!! WE'RE SO SORRY FOR THE ACA!!!" jeff47 Nov 2015 #89

And Bernie Sanders will fix this mess? busterbrown Nov 2015 #5

How many billions will they spend to stoke the fires against a CLINTON? malokvale77 Nov 2015 #179

Two thoughts davidpdx Nov 2015 #204

Movement cons have by their philosophy focused on state gov't, the Dems don't HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #6

The Party is on a brink Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #7

^this^ truebluegreen Nov 2015 #20

You should consider leaving the party Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #106

Bullshit. I knocked on 6000 doors in my own campaign in 2012 and many times had to Ron Green Nov 2015 #128

Did I mention you by name? Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #130

Sorry, I was too harsh. I haven't forgiven Obama for squandering some of Ron Green Nov 2015 #132

It is amazing he accomplished so much Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #141

Why is "who you want" in quotes in your reply? truebluegreen Nov 2015 #169

That one is close to going on vacation davidpdx Nov 2015 #207

I hear you. nt truebluegreen Nov 2015 #211

Some people aren't worth trying to educate. Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #213

Which is funny because we are told by the "big shots" on the DU davidpdx Nov 2015 #206

Exactly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #38

Deray is absolutely right. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #180

Thanks for the info Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #183

Your welcome. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #188

The party is a reflection of its people. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #205

A testament to the fundamental racism in this country, Darb Nov 2015 #8

Yep. Scurrilous Nov 2015 #156

I guess they ignored that "loss of control" in 2008 and 2012. former9thward Nov 2015 #198

Dems have to stop being lazy about voting Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #9

And, boys and girls, Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #13

+900+. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #49

+ a bazillion! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #58

Then in that case people damn well better be prepared Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #72

And in the real world, the party works its ass off to disrupt and avoid change. jeff47 Nov 2015 #91

There it is!!! haikugal Nov 2015 #86

Bingo! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2015 #121

Lol Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #127

I'm in complete agreement... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #185

Maybe the party should give them a reason by offering a CLEAR choice hobbit709 Nov 2015 #15

+1000 abelenkpe Nov 2015 #36

That's been my experience as well. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #37

A bit of advice gwheezie Nov 2015 #43

I would love to run. Unfortunately I have not had a squeaky clean life yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #57

My early pole dancing days doom me gwheezie Nov 2015 #60

I'm not a Democrat and since they sold me out years ago Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #59

It takes all kinds I quess gwheezie Nov 2015 #62

First you have to find the right person. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #66

Thank You!!! haikugal Nov 2015 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author haikugal Nov 2015 #96

A bit of advice jeff47 Nov 2015 #92

That is correct. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #99

No. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #190

That is what the Republicans want you to think. joshcryer Nov 2015 #147

Then I suggest you talk to the people on the bottom. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #149

Don't lecture me about what I should do. joshcryer Nov 2015 #150

"Look in the mirror, boy" when you talk about lecturing. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #151

That kind of talk will surely motivate voters. joshcryer Nov 2015 #153

Oh, goody goody gumdrops, blame the boomers. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #157

No, this is pitiful: joshcryer Nov 2015 #189

Not only are you not motivating... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #192

Yeah, because the education, housing, and climate... joshcryer Nov 2015 #193

Wargle Bargle is that you? malokvale77 Nov 2015 #195

Nice. joshcryer Nov 2015 #197

Harry Truman figured that out a long, long time ago. hifiguy Nov 2015 #168

"Not as bad as the other guys is not exactly a real choice" malokvale77 Nov 2015 #187

Why aren't consumers buying our shitty product? frylock Nov 2015 #116

We'll put the same old shit hifiguy Nov 2015 #170

No, a thousand times no! malokvale77 Nov 2015 #182

Let us all give thanks to DWS for this mess Moliere Nov 2015 #10

I agree! She needs to be fired immediately! B Calm Nov 2015 #11

DWS - Doesn't Win Squat DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #16

How can you say that about her with her eyes on a cabinet seat? Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #29

If that's satire, it stinks. DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #42

Non voters doesn't win squat, we can't blame someone else for not voting, it lies with every citizen Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #31

Shitty candidates don't get voters voting Scootaloo Nov 2015 #46

So we should like the republican candidates more, doesnt make sense to me. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #51

Funny you should say that. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #164

Not the Democratic party I know. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #167

The Democratic Party of Texas... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #194

Dean's 50 state strategy is a proven winner! Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #28

Unfortunately, it's the Republicans pscot Nov 2015 #45

Yes! Bring back the blue dogs! joshcryer Nov 2015 #155

I suppose in the past it was about truebluegreen Nov 2015 #171

Sad but,true! Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #173

Ditto regarding Bernie... truebluegreen Nov 2015 #178

Its the "foxification" of America. DCBob Nov 2015 #12

+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #77

Whatever happened to the Bully Pulpit? Octafish Nov 2015 #14

Precisely. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #63

The Bully pulpit only works when people listen and the pulpit gets coverage. kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #97

Here are the reasons... ncteechur Nov 2015 #17

"All politics is local" and incumbency are huge factors Freddie Nov 2015 #19

That's very true. tavernier Nov 2015 #54

Don't bring sane, rational thought to a riot... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #75

Most of those seats were gained by Democrats under President Bush. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #24

good find.. Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #79

There is no precedent for the amount of seats and legislatures the GOP have taken brentspeak Nov 2015 #103

ahhhh, I'm sorry didn't realize this was just an anti DWS shill thread. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #118

If you support DWS, it's hard to say if you truly support the party. n/t brentspeak Nov 2015 #123

ahhh, "if you're not with me, you're against me".. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #124

I don't know. Ask DWS brentspeak Nov 2015 #125

Surely then, Carson or Trump will save us. GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #142

Anybody remember back when the Democratic party was Liberal LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #25

Nope. Hear it was once like that though abelenkpe Nov 2015 #33

I remember that Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #55

No. I'm not a Boomer, so that was before my time. jeff47 Nov 2015 #93

Who approved a 30% voter turnout. We are giving the offices to republicans, republicans vote, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #30

That we are putting up shitty candidates that inspire indifference. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #94

Which republican candidates do you deem better than the Democrat candidate? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #129

Not voting does not mean the Republicans are better. jeff47 Nov 2015 #131

It means a lost vote for Democrats, a positive in the minds of republicans, they love low turnouts, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #133

Yes. Which is why you should bother to find out why "Republicans bad!!!" is utterly failing jeff47 Nov 2015 #134

Why am I seeing the complaining about Republicans winning in the last election? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #135

The last election was Tuesday. We didn't do well, and turnout was low. jeff47 Nov 2015 #136

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #138

This op. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #144

Not sure what State you live in, but here in 2014 we elected good Democrats, legalized marijuana Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #184

Our appeal is just more selective AngryAmish Nov 2015 #35

The saturation of Rant Radio across this country and the 24/7 Purrfessor Nov 2015 #40

This!!!!!! get the red out Nov 2015 #78

+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #80

Another thing we can thank Bill Clinton for Fumesucker Nov 2015 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Nov 2015 #48

Gerrymandering works! Turbineguy Nov 2015 #50

But hey, the party doesn't matter, according to some here. nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #52

Complicity. K & R nt TBF Nov 2015 #53

The DNC under DWS has been a joke. blackspade Nov 2015 #61

"Admiral Loinpresser" ? Tarc Nov 2015 #64

Gerrymandering, election rigging, a dirty media, and Debbie W Schultz Botany Nov 2015 #65

We will take back many of those next November....all is not lost. ileus Nov 2015 #68

If only Obama hadn't been so black, we'd still have all those seats. Arkana Nov 2015 #70

Wasn't Obama black in 2008 and 2012? former9thward Nov 2015 #196

Yeah, but he got blacker in the off years. Arkana Nov 2015 #215

democrats abandoned the center BlueStateLib Nov 2015 #76

All politics is local angrychair Nov 2015 #81

The root cause of this issue melm00se Nov 2015 #84

IMO the real consequences of this are huge. When a state jwirr Nov 2015 #100

/\_/\_And this_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #139

Yet people on here constantly talk of the impending death of the Republican party davidn3600 Nov 2015 #101

The Great Bigot Revolt n/t moondust Nov 2015 #102

How many of those were lost during the off years? Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #104

Party apparatchiks have been shoving the "Lesser of Two Evils" mantra down out throats Maedhros Nov 2015 #109

Americans for Prosperity was founded in 2003... DreamGypsy Nov 2015 #111

Thanks, Debbie! Iggo Nov 2015 #114

Dems have not come thru for the middle class hollowdweller Nov 2015 #119

+1 leftstreet Nov 2015 #148

And when you finally look at the bottom line: L. Coyote Nov 2015 #120

The M$M and Hate Radio are powerful, they have helped divide this country for decades. Rex Nov 2015 #122

We need progressive candidates pinebox Nov 2015 #126

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is President?! KamaAina Nov 2015 #137

I see what you did there. Scuba Nov 2015 #140

Close enuff for gubmint work. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #145

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #146

We always blame the president for the failures of our party HassleCat Nov 2015 #154

To be fair, we gained seats both times he was on the ballot. LoveIsNow Nov 2015 #160

Wow MFrohike Nov 2015 #191

The problem is the alienation and disaffection of working people from the Democratic party Bernblu Nov 2015 #199

When you have so called "progressive think tanks" echoing neo-con talking points one has to wonder Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #209

And unless they change their stategy of "vote for us, we suck a little less"... 99Forever Nov 2015 #210

I guess the Democratic Base needs to start voting in off-year elections WI_DEM Nov 2015 #212