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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
2. Probably right, but too soon to say definitively.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:56 AM
Nov 2015

The documentation is something like 2,000 pages, released very recently. Even aside from the length, much of it is highly technical; you can't really assess its impact unless you have a thorough knowledge of what the current situation is in that particular issue area.

The final text is, most assuredly, now being reviewed by specialists -- people at the Sierra Club concerning environment, the Electronic Frontier Foundation concerning freedom of information, etc. They'll be releasing their analyses. If the Obama administration thinks the NGOs are mistaken on particular points, the administration can offer responses.

When the leaked drafts were criticized on DU, the administration's defenders' main point was to pooh-pooh the information. It was only a draft, they said, implying that the product of several years' worth of negotiations might be radically changed in the final few months. Their fallback position was that maybe it wasn't even a draft, i.e., not an accurate leak, but was just a complete fabrication by rabble-rousers. We'll now learn the truth of the matter. My guess is that the leaks will prove to be very close to or exactly identical to the final approved text.

I will also be interested in hearing from Hillary Clinton. In office, she touted the TPP as the gold standard. In the candidates' debate, she lied about her past support, falsely asserting that she had only hoped it could be the gold standard. When it was finalized, she announced her opposition to it, allegedly based on the final text, although that text had not then been publicly released. I hope she'll explain to us what provisions in the final agreement differ from the version she praised.

Right. 840high Nov 2015 #1
Probably right, but too soon to say definitively. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #2
Thanks for this insightful post. gvstn Nov 2015 #4
the ISDS section (9) is less than 60 pages, but is critical magical thyme Nov 2015 #19
Is this who Obama has really been all along? A toady for the 1%? It sure seems like it. Kablooie Nov 2015 #3
It's a really, really bad thing. SoapBox Nov 2015 #5
China has state run corporations, US is a corporation run state. Neither govt. serves the people. whereisjustice Nov 2015 #6
Obama's ultimate betrayal. Scuba Nov 2015 #7
I'm really liking the labor annexes. The environmental section is concerning Recursion Nov 2015 #8
who told you that?! Nobody ever told me to shut up about the TPP. ellenrr Nov 2015 #9
I take it you will be eating you words davidpdx Nov 2015 #11
I don't understand why you're linking me to DU threads... ellenrr Nov 2015 #12
Right (nt) bigwillq Nov 2015 #10
The TPP has 29 chapters -- a very thick and heavy book Hortensis Nov 2015 #13
It will take some of us a while to digest it and see if it is better or worse than NAFTA and the WTO pampango Nov 2015 #14
The fact is that the final draft is basically the first draft Fearless Nov 2015 #15
You think they are going to re-negotiate the whole agreement? Several countries pampango Nov 2015 #16
We WILL defeat it. Fearless Nov 2015 #22
One is always right to be concerned but after having read the document...WTF are people kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #17
you've read and interpreted 5500 pages of legalese that was released yesterday? right. magical thyme Nov 2015 #20
Ok, so what kind of POSSIBLE trade deal do you folks want to see? What changes would you kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #18
this isn't a trade deal. it's a corporate rights deal. magical thyme Nov 2015 #21
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