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muriel_volestrangler

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98. Before this broke, Fred Clark pointed out how Joseph used the famine to confiscate Egyptian land
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:21 PM
Nov 2015

and set up the Pharaoh as the tyrannical owner of the whole country. It's a story of how a major figure in Jewish mythology was an evil bastard. Just substitute, say, 'Montgomery Burns' for 'Joseph':

Joseph and the Appalling Tyrannical Despot

Here is the part of this story I mean, from Genesis 47, describing how Pharaoh – with Joseph’s vital help – exploits a massive famine to turn his people into landless serfs and debt-slaves:

Now there was no food in all the land, for the famine was very severe. The land of Egypt and the land of Canaan languished because of the famine. Joseph collected all the money to be found in the land of Egypt and in the land of Canaan, in exchange for the grain that they bought; and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh’s house.

When the money from the land of Egypt and from the land of Canaan was spent, all the Egyptians came to Joseph, and said, “Give us food! Why should we die before your eyes? For our money is gone.”

And Joseph answered, “Give me your livestock, and I will give you food in exchange for your livestock, if your money is gone.” So they brought their livestock to Joseph; and Joseph gave them food in exchange for the horses, the flocks, the herds, and the donkeys. That year he supplied them with food in exchange for all their livestock.

When that year was ended, they came to him the following year, and said to him, “We cannot hide from my lord that our money is all spent; and the herds of cattle are my lord’s. There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our lands. Shall we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land in exchange for food. We with our land will become slaves to Pharaoh; just give us seed, so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”

So Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh. All the Egyptians sold their fields, because the famine was severe upon them; and the land became Pharaoh’s. As for the people, he made slaves of them from one end of Egypt to the other. … So Joseph made it a statute concerning the land of Egypt, and it stands to this day.

That’s a tale of reprehensible exploitation, oppression and enslavement. It betrays that “something in the soul that cries out for freedom” of which Martin Luther King Jr. spoke, echoing the prophets of the same scriptures that tell us the story of Joseph.

Perhaps it’s not surprising that a modern, Western reader would recoil from Joseph’s behavior in this story, but it isn’t simply my own 21st-century, democratic sensibility that is put off by this. The authors and compilers of the rest of the Pentateuch also share my discomfort with this story. Joseph and Pharaoh, the story says, conspired to amass wealth and consolidate power by preying on the hungry. That behavior is condemned and forbidden by each of the other four books of Moses – a prohibition that is frequently grounded in the reminder that “you were once slaves in Egypt.”
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Ultimately, not wholly satisfied with any of these defenses or even with their cumulative effect, Calvin settles on simply warning his readers not to follow Joseph’s example:

Let those who are too intent on wealth beware lest they should falsely employ Joseph’s example as a pretext: because it is certain that all contracts which are not formed according to the rule of charity are vicious in the sight of God; and that we ought, according to that equity which is inwardly dictated to us by a secret instinct of nature, so to act towards others as we wish to be dealt with ourselves.


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/10/23/joseph-and-the-appalling-tyrannical-despot/

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This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Nov 2015 #2
The pyramids are not grain silos. They are tombs. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #5
Of course they're tombs. We laughed when we heard the idea 30 years ago too Recursion Nov 2015 #6
That's from a "Chick tract". NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #12
Sorry, I overreacted there. Deleted Recursion Nov 2015 #14
I never heard of "Chick Tracts" before annabanana Nov 2015 #83
I'm sorry. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #89
lol.. I'll take the hit in the name of annabanana Nov 2015 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author BooScout Nov 2015 #3
Well we thought it was crazy, too (tracts are always good for a laugh) Recursion Nov 2015 #4
I deleted..... BooScout Nov 2015 #8
Nope. Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #7
Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist... Recursion Nov 2015 #10
Inconceivable! NT flying rabbit Nov 2015 #67
I don't think that means what you think that means. nt Quackers Nov 2015 #74
Maybe that's why..... BooScout Nov 2015 #13
Question; part two Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #21
I did. bravenak Nov 2015 #9
Is he a Seventh day adventist for real? If yes, then i get it. bravenak Nov 2015 #11
Yeah, he's 7DA. Recursion Nov 2015 #15
Sabbath. My uncle. bravenak Nov 2015 #17
Good Morning Bravenak! BooScout Nov 2015 #16
Morning!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #18
A good sleep does wonders! BooScout Nov 2015 #19
I got the memory foam. The soft one. My God. bravenak Nov 2015 #22
I've had memory foam beds for 8 years. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #24
Yes it is. I cannot stop laying down testing it yet. Sooo nice. Worth the extra few hundred bucks. bravenak Nov 2015 #26
I know..... BooScout Nov 2015 #28
I skipped Sunday school a lot BooScout Nov 2015 #25
It is only certain sects of various protestant religions. bravenak Nov 2015 #27
I think I found my spirituality (or lack of it) BooScout Nov 2015 #29
I used to go down the street and hide to partake. bravenak Nov 2015 #32
Neither did I BooScout Nov 2015 #33
But the Seventh Day Adventists were murielm99 Nov 2015 #34
That's because they are Independent SDA. bravenak Nov 2015 #35
Joseph was one of my favorite Bible Stories and Pyramids were never mentioned dem in texas Nov 2015 #20
No. I lived in a family that embraced science and history. Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #23
Ha! I, too, was taken to the MoNH (NYC)! WinkyDink Nov 2015 #31
:) Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #54
No. I wasn't born into a stupid family. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #30
Catholic schools never mentioned it when I was growing up eridani Nov 2015 #36
Catholicism isn't fundamentalist Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #55
Good analysis. Evolution is always taught in Catholic biology classes eridani Nov 2015 #57
Never heard it once madokie Nov 2015 #37
Depends EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #38
That must be it. I lived next door to an SDA church in the 1980s (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #39
No, this is the first time I ever heard of it and I went to a holy roller Pentecostal church B Calm Nov 2015 #40
I know there's a difference but I can't remember Recursion Nov 2015 #41
My aunt was a 7 day adventist, all I remember is she went to church on Saturday and eating pork B Calm Nov 2015 #42
Just Pork? ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #48
I remember she couldn't eat shell fish like shrimp, crab, lobster, etc. B Calm Nov 2015 #53
sounds almost Jewish. littlewolf Nov 2015 #97
Oh I forgot she couldn't wear make up and nail polish, something about being a Jezebel. B Calm Nov 2015 #69
Never heard it either. What kind of a gran storage structure ... BlueStreak Nov 2015 #79
Nope. I wasn't plagued by religious nuts growing up. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #43
Nope, never heard that claim. It seems to me too glaringly, obviously asinine to be taken Marr Nov 2015 #44
Didja hear the one about the talking snake? jberryhill Nov 2015 #47
I've always been a fan of weird religious crap jberryhill Nov 2015 #45
I know it's in one of the Chick tracts (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #46
There was a thread on this yesterday jberryhill Nov 2015 #49
So who was buried in the pyramids? Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #50
It's dogma of a religion. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #51
I've never heard it Marrah_G Nov 2015 #52
I've never heard it until now. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2015 #56
No. I heard the story of Joseph storing up grain against the famine years, but nothing about storing merrily Nov 2015 #58
If Ben Carson's beliefs are based on Chick tracts, his campaign will be colorful. yardwork Nov 2015 #59
Never, and we went to church every time the church door was open. n/t patricia92243 Nov 2015 #60
I don't know what a revival is. postulater Nov 2015 #61
We had those too Recursion Nov 2015 #62
Heard this in Bible class when reading the story of Joseph and his brothers. BUT never kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #63
Color Ben gone. Newly rich but "GONE." nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #64
Nope, and I grew up in a conservative church denomination. tanyev Nov 2015 #65
The notion goes back hundreds of years FBaggins Nov 2015 #66
As I mentioned (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #68
Never hatrack Nov 2015 #70
I teach mythology Generic Other Nov 2015 #71
Never heard of that until Ben Carson confirmed that he believed it ck4829 Nov 2015 #72
No. I heard the story about Joseph and the Pharaoh's dream, but no pyramids were involved Orangepeel Nov 2015 #73
No. Raised fundie so knew the Joseph story riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #75
That's because the OP got the story wrong. Rex Nov 2015 #77
. Rex Nov 2015 #76
so the pyramids are not specifically mentioned as granaries - just that grain was stored DrDan Nov 2015 #78
Yes, actually I have heard it before LibertyLover Nov 2015 #80
I had never heard this before kcr Nov 2015 #81
No, and I was raised Southern Baptist and had the bible drummed into me from Tanuki Nov 2015 #82
I studied archaeology in college. This was one of the nuttier theories my professor debunked. bklyncowgirl Nov 2015 #84
Nope. Never. Not once, ever. Iggo Nov 2015 #85
Nope. I was fortunate enough not to grow up around imbeciles. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #86
so clearly there must be evidence of the grain that was stored.... dhill926 Nov 2015 #87
Not me. krispos42 Nov 2015 #88
Here's what appears to be good research on the myth BootinUp Nov 2015 #90
Nope. There were some good archaeology books in my home. struggle4progress Nov 2015 #91
Never heard it, grew up Mormon in Utah (nt) TacoD Nov 2015 #92
Freeper Carsonoids are doubling down. Now their saying Joseph built the early stepped pyramids Monk06 Nov 2015 #94
Grew up an atheist with parents who never mentioned religion. Codeine Nov 2015 #95
Not me GP6971 Nov 2015 #96
Before this broke, Fred Clark pointed out how Joseph used the famine to confiscate Egyptian land muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #98
Joseph/famine/yes - not anything to do with "pyramids" n/t UTUSN Nov 2015 #99
No, and I was raised in a very Baptist home. DawgHouse Nov 2015 #100
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