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91. That is NOT her position on the final document. She has REJECTED it.

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:56 AM

Nov 2015

While it was being negotiated, years ago, during her stint as SoS, she was hopeful. But the final document is not one she can support.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-singh-grewal/why-hillary-clinton-is-ri_b_8295420.html

When she was Secretary of State, she had hoped that the TPP would represent the "gold standard" in new trade deals, as she expressed in a speech in 2012. But as anyone who has studied these trade deals knows, the devil is in the details -- and Clinton was not in charge of the final talks that produced the details of the TPP. Now that Clinton knows what was negotiated, she has decided she doesn't support the agreement. As she explained, "I want to make sure that I can look into the eyes of any middle-class American and say, 'this will help raise your wages.' And I concluded I could not."

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Chris Hedges: The Most Brazen Corporate Power Grab in American History [View all] marmar Nov 2015 OP

And HRC - The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment Candidate - Is Leading The Charge cantbeserious Nov 2015 #1

But, but...It's the Gold Standard! SoapBox Nov 2015 #11

Yes - For The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks -- Right On - No More DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Bull cantbeserious Nov 2015 #16

If it were to pass there will be an uprising. It's fascism bjobotts Nov 2015 #89

But, America's poor are the envy of the world, says the richest man in Congress Darrell Issa (R-CA)! appalachiablue Nov 2015 #113

That is NOT her position on the final document. She has REJECTED it. pnwmom Nov 2015 #91

She didn't say "hoped" She said it was eridani Nov 2015 #93

And THAT draft of it may have been the gold standard, in her opinion. But the final draft pnwmom Nov 2015 #95

The leaks of a number of sections indicate that it sucked then just as much as it sucks now eridani Nov 2015 #97

We don't know that the language that was leaked then was the language pnwmom Nov 2015 #99

All of them arrived at with zero input from labor unions and envirnomental groups eridani Nov 2015 #100

I am not supporting TPP. Hillary is not supporting TPP. So I don't know what you're talking about.nt pnwmom Nov 2015 #101

I'm talking about it passing with the help of Democrats eridani Nov 2015 #102

Believe What You Want To Believe - HRC Has So Waffled On TPP - I Believe Nothing She Says cantbeserious Nov 2015 #106

She has to reject it now Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #114

WRONG. She says she is NOT supporting it. pnwmom Nov 2015 #90

Except that isn't what she said at the time eridani Nov 2015 #94

The key words are "this TPP." That was the draft she was promoting at the time. pnwmom Nov 2015 #96

There were plenty of leaks back then as well. It has always been shitty eridani Nov 2015 #98

Believe What You Want To Believe - HRC Has So Waffled On TPP - I Believe Nothing She Says cantbeserious Nov 2015 #105

Actually our Democratic President Obama is leading the charge. fasttense Nov 2015 #115

Riddle Me This - Who Was Secretary Of State During The Majority Of Country To Country Negotiations cantbeserious Nov 2015 #116

Exactly. n/t fasttense Nov 2015 #125

K&R. Thanks, marmar. nt antigop Nov 2015 #2

K&R !!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #3

but, but, corporations had no input in the negotiations!!!! KG Nov 2015 #4

Finally, someone is thinking of the Basa fish. OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #19

I, for one, welcome our Plutocratic Overlords! Octafish Nov 2015 #5

How soon will it filter down to outspoken people like you Generic Other Nov 2015 #24

In another universe layer, the Courts would protect us. Octafish Nov 2015 #78

Why does Obama support it? Martin Eden Nov 2015 #6

Me too. Anyone? (N/T) Old Crow Nov 2015 #9

Here's what the White House says: erronis Nov 2015 #10

Yes, so now OUR standard of living can be as low as the the worst in the smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #23

Exactly. hifiguy Nov 2015 #59

Thank god Obama is looking out for us. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #34

My feelings exactly. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #41

I would like to know what the 18,000 taxes are about... SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #43

I would like to know how many of those low-wage watrwefitinfor Nov 2015 #50

"Americans out-compete anyone in the world".... bvar22 Nov 2015 #47

And that is the goal of the owners. Make the common people engage in blood sports to survive. erronis Nov 2015 #49

Yes. polly7 Nov 2015 #55

It always has been. hifiguy Nov 2015 #62

And feudal lords simply cut your throat... Thespian2 Nov 2015 #70

An engineered major die-off has been in the planning stages hifiguy Nov 2015 #71

Exactly. polly7 Nov 2015 #104

"Americans out-compete anyone in the world"... tecelote Nov 2015 #103

In other words, when we lower American's standard of living to that of Vietnam, industry will return tularetom Nov 2015 #76

BULLSHIT American exceptionalism FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #117

I was banned from an Obama group here on DU for asking that questiion. jalan48 Nov 2015 #12

Banned for asking a perfectly reasonable question?!!? gregcrawford Nov 2015 #30

I thought the question was perfectly reasonable. jalan48 Nov 2015 #33

Ring of Fire: War on whistleblowers SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #42

One does not question hifiguy Nov 2015 #63

WOW. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #40

consider being banned an honor Skittles Nov 2015 #56

Authoritarians demand "respect" (read supplication) with no questions allowed. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #57

well, the ACA was an enormous corporate power grab. race to the bottom is a huge Doctor_J Nov 2015 #13

ummm, this is a little indelicate... drynberg Nov 2015 #14

Because he thinks it's better than our current trade agreements with these countries Recursion Nov 2015 #15

His definition of "better" seems to be in conflict with everyone except shills for the ... Scuba Nov 2015 #18

You should read my posts. I said they didn't negotiate it Recursion Nov 2015 #26

With what we've learned about it, it's clear whoever negotiated it was doing so ... Scuba Nov 2015 #31

For the benefit of the world's largest corporations Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #109

I imagine ejbr Nov 2015 #17

+1,000 n/t LarryNM Nov 2015 #53

According to White House.Gov monicaangela Nov 2015 #21

The problem is that zalinda Nov 2015 #29

I agree Zalinda monicaangela Nov 2015 #79

Here's a link to what the TTP says, about itself. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #35

I think there was some terrible arm twisting behind the scenes. senz Nov 2015 #67

The simplest answer is that he agrees with it. arcane1 Nov 2015 #77

I think that makes the most sense Martin Eden Nov 2015 #85

I am in agreement with that statement. In the long run, what he has done so far has shown to be Bohunk68 Nov 2015 #107

Just because Obama agrees with it doesn't make it a good deal Martin Eden Nov 2015 #108

The most important fight of our lifetime FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #7

but it sets the gold standard in trade agreements... magical thyme Nov 2015 #8

It's the gold standard all right... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #88

I just wrote both my Senators dickthegrouch Nov 2015 #20

Sounds like Bill Murray. randome Nov 2015 #22

Dream on. Rex Nov 2015 #36

Yep. Tragically predictable. marmar Nov 2015 #45

They never give up. Rex Nov 2015 #124

K&R..... daleanime Nov 2015 #25

k/r 840high Nov 2015 #27

K n R!! bbgrunt Nov 2015 #28

K & R AzDar Nov 2015 #32

TPP's definition of "person: person means a natural person or an enterprise." nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #37

Ho-lee shit. hifiguy Nov 2015 #64

yeah, what is a "natural enterprise"????? grasswire Nov 2015 #84

The "conspiracy theories" president Obama chided us for turned out to be an actual conspiracy. pa28 Nov 2015 #38

I. Was. Hoping nobody. Would. Notice. Octafish Nov 2015 #81

Corporate bootlickers love it! Rex Nov 2015 #39

Hedges nails it. Faryn Balyncd Nov 2015 #44

Gold standard? Hillary-class citizens get the gold. We get toxic waste and job losses. whereisjustice Nov 2015 #46

and a big plate of Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #82

Hillary REJECTED the final document that resulted from the years of negotiations. pnwmom Nov 2015 #92

lol - she evolved. Conveniently too late to change anything, of course. whereisjustice Nov 2015 #126

The DOCUMENT evolved. She was hopeful the problems could be worked out, pnwmom Nov 2015 #127

From "marriage between man and woman" to "gold standard" Her evolving truthiness gets an F. whereisjustice Nov 2015 #128

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #48

I had a post hiiden by jury for cussing out Obama because of the TPP. Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #51

All of this, Unknown Beatle. hifiguy Nov 2015 #65

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #110

A la lanterene! It's time for a revolution people. Hotler Nov 2015 #52

... AND OBAMA, the DINO, RAMMED it Home.... to momma Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #54

Exactly. With the TPP, any regulation that affects profits, or expected profits, will be challenged djean111 Nov 2015 #60

Only Nixon could to to China hifiguy Nov 2015 #66

Knock off the 'Barry' shit, wise-ass. randome Nov 2015 #75

Bark at the moon - He sold us out Completely with TPP Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #123

Storm The Bastille billhicks76 Nov 2015 #58

Complete plans for a functional U-Build-It hifiguy Nov 2015 #72

K&R summerschild Nov 2015 #61

Damnit, Millenials need to fight this. Big Corporations are taking away their future AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #68

Happy Kick BelgianMadCow Nov 2015 #69

Citations please. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #73

K&R Paka Nov 2015 #74

hey, DU's resident corporate whore-meister has not contributed here yet? Skittles Nov 2015 #80

You crack me up, Skittles FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #118

Recommend........ KoKo Nov 2015 #83

Time to take up archery, Catniss. n\t BobTheSubgenius Nov 2015 #86

This is a corporate coup. Where is Smedley Butler when you need him? Initech Nov 2015 #87

Thanks for this post marmar. You do us all a service! nt haikugal Nov 2015 #111

co-signed. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #119

This is everything we thought it was, and WORSE... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #112

A lot of people have labored and invested, hard, for us to get here. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #120

Thanks Obama nt Buzz cook Nov 2015 #121

K & R. Chris Hedges splains the TPP abomination perfectly. Perfectly awful. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #122