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In reply to the discussion: TPP and these other trade deals show the end result of capitalism... [View all]GoneOffShore
(18,020 posts)29. Here's a take on the TPP from across the Atlantic.
TPP: 'Scary' US-Pacific trade deal published you're going to freak out when you read it
'Cos all those pitchforks you bought will go to waste
And for those who won't bother to because TL/DNR - Here's the conclusion:
'Cos all those pitchforks you bought will go to waste
And for those who won't bother to because TL/DNR - Here's the conclusion:
In short, it's a trade deal. Overall, it's a good deal. Nothing in it will destroy the world or bring in a new era of peace and prosperity. But it will simplify things, and that is, in the end, a good thing.
From a purely US perspective, the best pitch for the deal comes from President Obama who summed it up thus: "The TPP means that America will write the rules of the road in the 21st century. When it comes to Asia, one of the worlds fastest-growing regions, the rulebook is up for grabs. And if we dont pass this agreement if America doesnt write those rules then countries like China will. And that would only threaten American jobs and workers and undermine American leadership around the world."
The big problem with the TPP is not really the TPP itself; it's the fact that it was the first big trade deal drawn up in the internet era. As such, the highly secretive process for creating it is out of keeping with the times.
There is some irony that a deal designed to bring the world into the 21st century was developed through a 20th century process. But as all the criticism over the next few weeks will make plain: change may be difficult and painful, but it has to happen. ®
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TPP and these other trade deals show the end result of capitalism... [View all]
AZ Progressive
Nov 2015
OP
The only transfers that have taken place are those going to the 1%-ers in poor countries.
eridani
Nov 2015
#4
Most of the wealth will disappear when taken, since it is just paper. Then, Americans
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#5
The OP is about capitalism. Apparently, you have no interest in helping poor countries.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#18
The purpose of an empire is to fuck over countries for the benefit of the 1% everywhere
eridani
Nov 2015
#23
Yeah, poor countries will progress trading among themselves. I thinj they've tried that.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#31
India has made cheap pharmaceutical knockoffs for years. Very successfully, too.
eridani
Nov 2015
#35
True, but reducing tariffs is just reducing tariffs. It has nothing to do with ISDS and other--
eridani
Nov 2015
#44
FDR's ITO pioneered the concept of neutral arbitration of trade disputes, much more than just
pampango
Nov 2015
#46
Give an example of a tribunal overruling a government in the FDR/Truman era n/t
eridani
Nov 2015
#48
I can't. The republican-controlled congress rejected FDR's ITO. FDR and Truman believed in
pampango
Nov 2015
#52
OK, then how about an example of ISDS overruling any government before NAFTA n/t
eridani
Nov 2015
#53
I care about poor everywhere, and think TPP is one way to help all of them, including those here.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#37
What is your proposal to help the poor globally? Do nothing, stifle trade, what then?
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#39
Stop big pharma from jacking up prices for generics by stopping TPP, for one n/t
eridani
Nov 2015
#47
Don't think TPP does anything to generics. Well, maybe prevents a. Country from counterfeiting
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#49
Well isn't that a good thing...the end of capitalism? Isn't that what DUers want?
kelliekat44
Nov 2015
#14
And yet the past 20 years have seen the largest *decrease* in global inequality in history
Recursion
Nov 2015
#24
The 1% did even better before FDR when there were no trade agreements and little trade.
pampango
Nov 2015
#41