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Showing Original Post only (View all)Why the TPP Must be Opposed at All Costs [View all]
Its Worse Than You Thinkby K.J. Noh / November 8th, 2015
The TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the corporate Mega-deal on free trade has been concluded between the partner states, and is now in the final stages of its ratification. This deal involves the US and 11 other countries (Canada, US, Mexico, Chile, Peru; Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, Brunei, Japan) of the Pacific Rim, representing 40% of global economic activity. The text was secretly negotiated by hundreds of corporate lobbyists. It has now been released, and Congress will have 90 days to examine the 6000 page text before approving, which will allow the President to sign it in to law.
For six years, this corporate-drafted legislation was a pig in a poke. Nobody knew what was in itexcept the hundreds (550) of corporate lobbyists that had been drafting it for years in total secrecy. They wouldnt say what was in it. They would only say it was good for you. They just wanted you to support it. Critics were told to shut up on the grounds that they knew nothing about it. But the outline that people had been able to discern through leaks were monstrous.
The text has been just releasedby the orders of a New Zealand courtand it is, as anticipated, monstrous, explaining the Manhattan-Project-level secrecy. Its a total corporate giveaway, and despite some pathetic attempts to put lipstick on it, its every bit as bad as we had anticipated, and a little bit worse. Here are some of the key issues:
For six years, this corporate-drafted legislation was a pig in a poke. Nobody knew what was in itexcept the hundreds (550) of corporate lobbyists that had been drafting it for years in total secrecy. They wouldnt say what was in it. They would only say it was good for you. They just wanted you to support it. Critics were told to shut up on the grounds that they knew nothing about it. But the outline that people had been able to discern through leaks were monstrous.
The text has been just releasedby the orders of a New Zealand courtand it is, as anticipated, monstrous, explaining the Manhattan-Project-level secrecy. Its a total corporate giveaway, and despite some pathetic attempts to put lipstick on it, its every bit as bad as we had anticipated, and a little bit worse. Here are some of the key issues:
Subversion of Democracy and Sovereignty:
ISDS refers to Investor State Dispute Settlement mechanism. Think of it really as an Intentional Subversion of Democracy and Sovereignty. This is the extrajudicial process written into the TPP (Chapter 28), whereby governments can be dragged before tribunals by corporate lawyers if they think national (health, environmental, consumer protection, public policy) laws violate their TPP rights or limit future expected profits. This is a panel of bespoke-suited corporate lawyers deciding whether environmental laws, safety regulations, public policy, or labor laws get in the way of profit or not. Imagine how they will decide. Profits or people? The outcome, written into the very raison dêtre of the TPP, is a foregone conclusion. These results will be unaccountable and binding. No appeal is possible.
Its not an exaggeration to say that corporations want profit the way that sexual predators want sex: at any cost. Instead of moderating, controlling or preventing this, this agreement enshrines into transnational law a supranational corporate entitlement to profit, regardless of risk or danger to the state, democratic sovereignty, the people, or the planet. For that reason alone, the TPP should be opposed at all costs. But theres more. ..........
ISDS refers to Investor State Dispute Settlement mechanism. Think of it really as an Intentional Subversion of Democracy and Sovereignty. This is the extrajudicial process written into the TPP (Chapter 28), whereby governments can be dragged before tribunals by corporate lawyers if they think national (health, environmental, consumer protection, public policy) laws violate their TPP rights or limit future expected profits. This is a panel of bespoke-suited corporate lawyers deciding whether environmental laws, safety regulations, public policy, or labor laws get in the way of profit or not. Imagine how they will decide. Profits or people? The outcome, written into the very raison dêtre of the TPP, is a foregone conclusion. These results will be unaccountable and binding. No appeal is possible.
Its not an exaggeration to say that corporations want profit the way that sexual predators want sex: at any cost. Instead of moderating, controlling or preventing this, this agreement enshrines into transnational law a supranational corporate entitlement to profit, regardless of risk or danger to the state, democratic sovereignty, the people, or the planet. For that reason alone, the TPP should be opposed at all costs. But theres more. ..........
Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/why-the-tpp-must-be-opposed-at-all-costs/#more-60389
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It has to be rejected. 15 dems voted to prevent any part from being amended,
no_hypocrisy
Nov 2015
#1
Heretofore D-ALEC: Ron Wyden (D-ALEC),MCantwell (D-ALEC) Reps Susan Davis,S.Peters(D-ALEC) etc
stuffmatters
Nov 2015
#11
Many nations are rethinking it. They see it as the corporate coup that it is. nt.
polly7
Nov 2015
#81
Absolutely! It's the Oligarch's End Game & wet dream, rolled into one nasty package. -nt-
99th_Monkey
Nov 2015
#2
So-called "subversion of democracy and sovereignty" is laughable. Same language has been in 2500+
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#3
How about folks like Warren who tell the gulible the agreement won't be released for 4 years after
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#16
You are the one making the claim, why not start out with that 1959 trade agreement
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#19
If you are going to criticize the ISDS, you ought to know something about it. It was in NAFTA and
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#20
" Countries have been signing agreements like this" - like is a bit imprecise
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#23
Actually it was from Economist, where entry in WP probably got it. You must have WP in your cache.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#45
Economist? Haw, Haw, Haw, better send 'em an email and tell them Wikipedia is plagiarizing it's work
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#60
What? 1959 and the year of the first ISDS in a treaty, the link to Wikipedia? ISDS and BIT? Jeepers
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#66
It really isn't, because your still talking about bilateral investment treaties NOT ISDS
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#73
Just for the heck of it, let's say the first one was 1970. ISDD has still been around
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#86
If congress had approved the ITO proposed by FDR, an "ISDS" would have started long before it did.
pampango
Nov 2015
#87
Same thing, you sound like a gun fancier arguing about whether it's a clip or magazine.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#90
Guns? Sigh, you had a chance to educate us with your allegedly superior knowledge...
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#99
Harper might, but I don't beleive leaders in all150+ countries that have signed these things would.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#39
You can bet that he'd be helping Transcanada sue us under ISDS for shutting down Keystone...
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#84
Without trade agreements, we probably couldn't afford a computer to debate the issues.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#24
But we are saturated now, need resources from others, compete in a global economy, etc. Those good
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#30
Like Krugman has said, people blame NAFTA (trade agreements) for things caused by other factors.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#40
They do with respect to trade in the 21st century, maybe not the era you are stuck in.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#62
No, I'm talking about the period where there were no jobs because there was no investment in this
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#71
Corporations won't be ruling the world. Heck, any government can boot them out at any time.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#98
Sure, let's just forget those hundreds of billions of dollars that corporations
Joe Turner
Nov 2015
#100
"Nothing could have stopped it (the Great Depression) from happening." I disagree.
pampango
Nov 2015
#93
I don't lije corporations either, but without them most of us would b begging for a cup full of mush
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#33
Heck, you could be making your own computers and employing hundreds of thousands/millions. nt.
polly7
Nov 2015
#44
At 4 times the cost of what we get them now. I have no interest in employing anyone,
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#47
Completely disregarding the horrific working conditions of those making them for you
polly7
Nov 2015
#49
I know he doesn't care. He said the same things yesterday when I presented him with
polly7
Nov 2015
#56
And the TPP will do something about that. Probably not enough, but far better than doing nothing
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#52
Notwithstanding Naked Capitalism's vague criticism, 150+ countries have signed similar ISDS
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#70
"Same language has been in 2500+ trade agreements since 1959." Why then, do we need another?
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2015
#67
I believe you are wasting your time trying to convince folks who have been brainwashed about this
kelliekat44
Nov 2015
#77
The only presidential candidate who can be trusted to deal with the TPP in the interests of the
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#13
None of that has ever happened to the USA in the 50 or so agreements with similar provisions.
Hoyt
Nov 2015
#26
Thank you for explaining this part, Jack Rabbit. I'm having trouble with a lot of it ...
polly7
Nov 2015
#46