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Hydra

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39. It's a huge question as to what would happen if we really asked the people

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:09 AM

Nov 2015

But I have one point of hope on that- only about 1/2 the country votes right now. It's quite likely the ones who aren't would participate more if they knew their votes counted directly.

We'd need a better 4th estate though too- when people are being given the wrong idea on just about every policy, it's not likely the direct democracy thing would end well

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Did FDR and other mid 20th century Democrats do nothing more than cage the beast? [View all] AZ Progressive Nov 2015 OP

They had faith in the electorate hifiguy Nov 2015 #1

Problem is that there are a lot of evil geniuses out there helping the rich to get richer AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #2

And nowhere near enough geniuses fighting for the rest of Americans. merrily Nov 2015 #7

They have all been infected with greed and work in the tech and finance industries... AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #9

Thing is, the rest of America isn't willing, so far, to pool its pennies and hire anyone. merrily Nov 2015 #11

It just doesn't pay as well as helping the corporatist FreakinDJ Nov 2015 #30

I disagree. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #22

Actually some of his best legeslation came from Captains of Industry FreakinDJ Nov 2015 #31

Back then you had a lot of the big money people like Ford, who saw a problem with the workers LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #54

^^^THIS^^^ jwirr Nov 2015 #27

The beast is now global and outside any nation"s cage. leveymg Nov 2015 #3

The same nations that have been negotiating these trade deals? AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #4

Government and the economy are too important to leave to leveymg Nov 2015 #10

Yep. AND if electorates work together. New Deal conservative Hortensis Nov 2015 #19

Good points. Shared principle is more important than party, sometimes. n/t leveymg Nov 2015 #20

The FDR, Truman and LBJ administrations were the ones who acted most for the people. merrily Nov 2015 #5

FDR's one and only role model was Teddy Roosevelt, which fought for the people AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #8

I don't think anyone can be definitive about guessing motives. Both TR and FDR did a lot for merrily Nov 2015 #13

Regarding the Russian style revolution. I live in an area jwirr Nov 2015 #28

I would never say he did nothing for the poor. Doing nothing for the poor does not avert revolution. merrily Nov 2015 #34

K&R! and a boost for a valid question nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #6

yep that's right. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #12

K&R! and a boost for a valid question riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #14

That's the conclusion I came to after studing as much of the evidence as I can find Hydra Nov 2015 #15

Roger That - The Beast Is Capitalism cantbeserious Nov 2015 #26

One question. Capitalism and socialism are both economic jwirr Nov 2015 #32

IMO, we're going to have to go to a more direct form of democracy Hydra Nov 2015 #35

Direct voting is a good idea. However if I lived in an R state jwirr Nov 2015 #37

It's a huge question as to what would happen if we really asked the people Hydra Nov 2015 #39

Yes, talk about caging a beast - rw religion and the media jwirr Nov 2015 #40

That's the big question right now Hydra Nov 2015 #41

Yes. jwirr Nov 2015 #43

Everyone is greedy The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #42

Not everyone faces the issues of need like Hitler's Germany jwirr Nov 2015 #44

The beast is capitalism, hifiguy Nov 2015 #16

Agreed. I have asked this question above. How do we protect jwirr Nov 2015 #33

yes, and I don't think they suffered illusions about it quaker bill Nov 2015 #17

That's certainly what their critics on the left said at the time (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #18

Yes they did. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #21

I dunno why Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist when he's more of a Social Democrat AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #24

Branding, probably. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #25

I'm with you on most of this Hydra Nov 2015 #36

No. This all started with Reagan deregulating the markets and fucking up the social order. Rex Nov 2015 #23

Carter started deregulation but I would not expect you to respect history. former9thward Nov 2015 #46

Aww bless your heart. Rex Nov 2015 #47

Pains me to say it but Jimmy Carter was the first president hifiguy Nov 2015 #50

Carter was a drop in the bucket. He did not deregulate the airlines industry Rex Nov 2015 #53

Yes Kalidurga Nov 2015 #29

Humans don't like limits The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #38

i read a lot of old books, a set of oration books from early 1900. 1891 encyclopedia britannicas a-f pansypoo53219 Nov 2015 #45

I think they knew moondust Nov 2015 #48

I suspect they knew that every generation has to 'cage the beast'. The 'beast' (in one form or pampango Nov 2015 #49

Land ownership is the pinnacle of capitalism, right? Think of how INSANE it is to randys1 Nov 2015 #51

Not enough of a cage to stop the assassinations. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #52