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MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
94. Sigh
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:27 AM
Nov 2015

The WTO is a global trade bloc. That's why it has its own schedule of tariffs for every member on just about every conceivable product you can imagine, but it's also why it has a set of rules designed to prohibit activities that get in the way of its overarching mission: the promotion of global trade through minimal tariff barriers. Your claim that it's some clearinghouse for bloc disputes is wrong. It doesn't operate like that at all. Individual blocs do their own policing.

GATT is not the basis for the TPP. GATT stands for General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs. The TPP does not set tariff schedules in the slightest. Why? Tariff levels are already minimal. If you don't believe me, go out and buy a copy of the WTO tariff schedules (I actually own one) and see for yourself. TPP is about harmonizing rules across countries. There's a reason that the promoters of this so-called trade treaty talk about "non-economic" barriers. It's got nothing to do with GATT, nor with historic US trade policy.

The TPP is an infringement of the principles of the WTO because it's designed to favor certain countries over others through disparate application of rules. The entire point of GATT and its successor WTO was to favor no particular country in trade. It was to provide a level playing field for ALL countries, not just those willing to bargain away their citizens' interests in order to stay under the American security umbrella. You do realize that, right? TPP is a hare-brained containment policy aimed at China. Obama's clearly said it many times, when he talks about "China setting the rules." It's no damn different from Woodrow Wilson and "freedom of the seas." Given that the purpose of the WTO is to reduce the likelihood of war and the TPP is aimed at quite a different target, I'd say there's one more reason to view the TPP as an infringement of the principles of the WTO.



Note: I'm not much of a fan of the WTO, either. The rules are effectively arbitrary, due to the appeal process. Even so, it's still better than the TPP. Prudential regulation isn't inhibited under the WTO. No one can seriously say the same about the TPP.

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K&R for exposure 2naSalit Nov 2015 #1
Sigh. Again? randome Nov 2015 #2
You need to read what is posted. fasttense Nov 2015 #43
This "Trade Deal"- ruffburr Nov 2015 #3
Hyperbole much? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #77
Denial much? nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #85
They KNOW a Dem will be in the WH, dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #4
Yes, that's something I posted here earlier. polly7 Nov 2015 #5
What the hell is an "International Tribunal" anyway? packman Nov 2015 #6
United Nations and WTO. Hoyt Nov 2015 #11
Wrong MFrohike Nov 2015 #35
You really need to do some research before making comments like that. Hoyt Nov 2015 #51
You should read your links MFrohike Nov 2015 #90
Your mistake there is in somehow seeing the WTO as "competing" with TPP, which makes no sense Recursion Nov 2015 #93
Sigh MFrohike Nov 2015 #94
No, you're really just wrong there Recursion Nov 2015 #95
Nope MFrohike Nov 2015 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Nov 2015 #97
Actually, they are related. Whether it's WTO or WB is sort of immaterial except to those who play Hoyt Nov 2015 #98
Right MFrohike Nov 2015 #109
That's like saying Medicare is not a government program because private insurance Hoyt Nov 2015 #110
What? MFrohike Nov 2015 #111
Jeez, even the NYT calls them tribunals, not to mention Senator Warren. Hoyt Nov 2015 #112
And? MFrohike Nov 2015 #113
Of course the WTO is the arbitration mechanism. Recursion Nov 2015 #88
Oh? MFrohike Nov 2015 #91
In what sense do you see it as a competing organization? Recursion Nov 2015 #92
Your description of the selection process for "judges" is incomplete BelgianMadCow Nov 2015 #59
You mean World Bank under United Nations. Hoyt Nov 2015 #60
You mean the Stiglitz who was the World Bank's Chief Economist. Hoyt Nov 2015 #61
yes. He became critical of it and isn't there anymore. n/t BelgianMadCow Nov 2015 #62
Every organization deserves criticism. Here's what Stiglitz said when pushed in interview: Hoyt Nov 2015 #63
Bush joked about international law and international lawyers daleo Nov 2015 #67
It's the WTO. The judges are appointed through a process that's gone on for 50 years Recursion Nov 2015 #89
Same dispute mechanism that 150+ countries have signed since 1959. Yet, now, it's an issue. Hoyt Nov 2015 #7
Yes, many countries want to attract jobs and investment. polly7 Nov 2015 #8
Well, the TPP has provisions that help in that respect. Hoyt Nov 2015 #9
Riiiiight. polly7 Nov 2015 #10
They do not "win" most of the time, plus thousands of potential issues are never arbitrated. Hoyt Nov 2015 #12
I don't believe you. I also don't trust one single bit that the people in poorer nations will polly7 Nov 2015 #13
Yet they beg to be part of the agreements. Clearly they are better off than before. Hoyt Nov 2015 #15
The people in those poor countries do not 'share the wealth'. polly7 Nov 2015 #17
Sure they do. Mexican workers are lining up for jobs at Audi for $8/hour vs the 50 cents Hoyt Nov 2015 #19
Because Mexican farmerS were DECIMATED by NAFTA and have polly7 Nov 2015 #21
They were the ones making 50 cents a day. In any evenr, Mexico begged Hoyt Nov 2015 #22
Ok .............. hold on. polly7 Nov 2015 #23
The TPP's arbitration courts are an abomination. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #24
So after 2500 trade agreements worldwide since 1959, the investor dispute mechanism is now an issue. Hoyt Nov 2015 #28
Yup, fasttense Nov 2015 #46
TPP helps them organize. Hoyt Nov 2015 #56
Many of those countries adopted or inherited a system of civil law. They don't know JDPriestly Nov 2015 #52
all those European countries, including England and Denmark, sign the agreements. Hoyt Nov 2015 #55
With the exception of England, I believe they are civil law countries. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #57
They sign the agreements, yielding to arbitration, which is also in EU agreements. Hoyt Nov 2015 #58
The bottom 70% of the world's population have seen large income gains in the past 25 years. pampango Nov 2015 #27
Tell that to them. I don't think they'll believe it. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #29
Excellent post. Hoyt Nov 2015 #30
It's bullshit. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #31
Analysis is bullshit. Fears are real. n/t pampango Nov 2015 #36
Nah. Not fears. polly7 Nov 2015 #38
Please post your analysis of global income changes. pampango Nov 2015 #39
Post em yourself. I just have articles showing how 'real' people have polly7 Nov 2015 #41
Real people have suffered and real people have benefitted. That's the conclusion of pampango Nov 2015 #47
84 people own 52% of global wealth...they have trade policies to thank for it. Rex Nov 2015 #33
We do indeed need to 'sprite the 1%'. Progressive countries do that with progressive taxation, pampango Nov 2015 #37
I wonder how much of that is due solely to China? hifiguy Nov 2015 #66
You mean their 1%-ers want in. The 99% are 100% against them. n/t eridani Nov 2015 #69
Even the lower middle class here are the greedy 1%ers to rest of world. Hoyt Nov 2015 #70
The purpose of "trade" agreements is to force poor people in rich countries to give money to-- eridani Nov 2015 #71
Ask a Mexican who was making 50 cents a day, who is now working for Audi at $8/hr Hoyt Nov 2015 #73
All the ones forced off their land by privatization of the ejidos came here eridani Nov 2015 #76
Luke Krugman says, too many people blame NAFTA for things caused by other factors. Hoyt Nov 2015 #78
Privatization of rural communal land was bloody well not caused by other factors eridani Nov 2015 #79
+1,000,000. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #80
Exactly. polly7 Nov 2015 #81
Apparently poisoning poor people with mine tailings is done only to help them n/t eridani Nov 2015 #83
Yep, I'm sure we'll see a 'study' soon that shows us just exactly how. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #84
This is not about trade. This is about a CORPORATE COUP. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #25
Exactly right! nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #26
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #45
Thank you! polly7 Nov 2015 #48
Corporations lose sometimes in our courts. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #32
corporate whores can always justify corporate whoring Skittles Nov 2015 #68
Excuses are easy to make up. And that is what corporate whores do. They don't have to be GoneFishin Nov 2015 #74
You're right, Skittles. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #82
The truth shall set you free Progressive dog Nov 2015 #14
We are going to have trade. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #18
No country would allow trade on terms that require Progressive dog Nov 2015 #34
I am very familiar with NAFTA's arbitration clause. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #54
Lot of trade stuff you oppose Progressive dog Nov 2015 #64
I am opposed to trade agreements that give power that should be exercised by JDPriestly Nov 2015 #72
Bullshit. TPP is a corporate coup. And "we" don't get shit when jobs are sent overseas unless by GoneFishin Nov 2015 #75
TPP is not a corporate coup. Progressive dog Nov 2015 #100
You are advocating precisely what FDR wanted to avoid. pampango Nov 2015 #50
And the corporations have so exploited and dominated and bullied FDR's ideal JDPriestly Nov 2015 #53
So we should give up on FDR's ideals and go back to the Coolidge/Hoover trade policy - high tariffs, pampango Nov 2015 #101
We should renegotiate all of our trade agreements to make sure they protect human rights, not JDPriestly Nov 2015 #102
I'll stick with FDR, Sweden and Germany on trade policy but I do agree that all agreements pampango Nov 2015 #103
I know what FDR wanted. I don't think it included having corporate arbitration panels JDPriestly Nov 2015 #104
The concept of neutral arbitration in trade disputes was introduced by FDR's ITO. pampango Nov 2015 #105
It is undemocratic. FDR was not all-seeing and all-knowing. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #106
You have your opinion. I'll side with FDR, Sweden and Germany. n/t pampango Nov 2015 #107
More horseshit about how TPP has something to do with "trade" eridani Nov 2015 #86
This! nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #87
More bullshit that TPP is about corporate takeover. Progressive dog Nov 2015 #99
Yes there is--which is why Canada is the most sued country in the world eridani Nov 2015 #108
And the US has won ALL the cases under NAFTA Progressive dog Nov 2015 #114
Fuck corporations suing governments for not getting the profits they expect n/t eridani Nov 2015 #116
So true, but the American people including people here on DU, are so poorly educated about JDPriestly Nov 2015 #16
I see the "but it is just like all the other trade deals" is still be thrown about. Rex Nov 2015 #20
K/R marmar Nov 2015 #40
All Made Possible By The Sell Out President And Former Secretary Of State cantbeserious Nov 2015 #42
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #44
Great article, packman, thank you. +1000. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #49
K & R AzDar Nov 2015 #65
The reinstitution of slavery or feudalism is the end game. hifiguy Nov 2015 #115
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