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CajunBlazer

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28. You guys need to get a grip.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:17 PM
Nov 2015

1. The majority of Americans, including me, believed that the war in Afghanistan was necessary because the Taliban government was giving free rein and encouragement to a guy named Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. They had just flown two Airlines filled with innocent people into the World Trade Center in New York which was filled with a lot more innocent people. Over 3,000 people died that day. Worst yet ben Laden vowed to continue his attacks on our country in every way possible. When the Taliban government of Afghanistan refused to quit giving safe harbor to al-Qaeda, we had little choice but to go after them ourselves. Otherwise al-Qaeda would have grown in strength in its safe refuge and we would would still be dealing with multiple cases of having our civilians killed on our streets.

2. As the rhetoric of the Bush administration increased in volume and we started to build up troops in Kuwait, I preached endlessly that an invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and unwise. I compared the overthrow of Saddam to removing an evil stopper from a bottle filled with very evil liquid which, once released, could not be contained. But the American people believed the administration's lies and we went to war again - one of the biggest mistakes in our history.

3) Bush compounded his huge mistake of invading Iraq with three more momentous blunders. The invasion diverted our attention away from a potentially volatile situation in Afghanistan allowing that situation to continue to simmer uncontrolled. In Iraq Rumsfeld and Chaney planned the invasion "on the cheap" failing to account for the insurrections would inevitably erupt once the evil stopper was removed. They also agreed to the dismantling of the Iraqi army, the only force other than American soldiers capable of enforcing the peace in the aftermath to the invasion.

4) Everything which has since unfolded in that part of the world, including the rise of ISIS in Iraq is the direct result of the stupidity of the Bush administration. I am sick and tired of so call "liberals" blaming President Obama for the aftermath of both wars. In doing so they imply that President Obama has made a couple of horrible situations worse and that is simply not the case. He is simply trying to clean up the messes left to him by his predecessor as best he can while placing as few Americans in harms way as possible. Anyone who cannot see that simply lacks proper vision.

5) I am also sick and tired of people who believe that any use of our military is some kind of horrible mistake. I would love to live in a world where a military is not even necessary, where countries or groups never attack anyone else and where all disputes are resolved by negotiations. Wake up folks, that is not the world we live in! And yes, we can all sit around and blame our government's past policies and mistakes for the fact that are a number of people in the world who consider us their enemies and are trying to settle old scores, but that won't change the fact that we live in a dangerous world. If you think it is wise to totally disengage and allow ISIS run wild in Syria and Iraq to form their Caliphate, you are not as bright as I give you credit for being. Once ISIS has secured in their conquered territory, and have raped, murdered, subjected the local populations to their hearts content, they will turn their eyes outward towards the Great Satan. We can either deal with that situation now or later, but we will have to deal with it.

If you to pretend that we can ignore threats like ISIS and believe that any use of our military is an abomination, by all means do so. But remember you are part of a very small minority and you are alive and free to maintain your beliefs only because other Americans are willing to shoulder your burdens.

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and not one iota closer to fixing what ever was supposed to be wrong there. KG Nov 2015 #1
I'd argue that we are much farther away from any potential solution... Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #12
it's almost as if someone actually wants to bankrupt the federal govt tk2kewl Nov 2015 #2
DURec. bvar22 Nov 2015 #3
We are the drunk husband beating the wife, insisting only we can fix the marriage. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #5
And these wars are Obamas wars not Bushs Township75 Nov 2015 #4
As soon as the leadership of the government has their own children in the line of fire erronis Nov 2015 #13
Couldn't agree more. Township75 Nov 2015 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #44
It's been clear to me ever since St. Ronnie's time in office SheilaT Nov 2015 #6
Paul Kennedy wrote an entire book about it hifiguy Nov 2015 #55
I probably won't get around to reading it, SheilaT Nov 2015 #62
More the people prosecuting it, and those not resisting it. Then you know who to talk to. jtuck004 Nov 2015 #7
That pie chart says it all. No wonder we are falling apart. Rex Nov 2015 #8
Kick kick kick!!! And BIG REC!! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #9
It's my biggest issue this election also - by far. n/t cpwm17 Nov 2015 #36
Isn't that the whole point? Scuba Nov 2015 #10
CAn anyone here honestly say.... Plucketeer Nov 2015 #11
And if anyone thinks this shit will change with Hillary in the WH, 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #14
You can toss in some Saharan beachfront property to sweeten the deal Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #18
She is the worst possible choice for the Democrats for those who don't like war cpwm17 Nov 2015 #35
We aren't saving them from anyone. Ilsa Nov 2015 #15
No ryan_cats Nov 2015 #16
It's also completely destroying the Middle East leftyladyfrommo Nov 2015 #17
And WATER is going to be a huge problem! eom Duval Nov 2015 #19
I think it already is. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2015 #24
It is destroying our country. However, what do you have NYCButterfinger Nov 2015 #20
Not a damn thing. It's the Military-Industrial-Intel profiteers that have us by the short hairs. May grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #23
It's pretty rough on the countries in the Mideast that we have been messing with, too. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #21
Why is Social Security listed? pangaia Nov 2015 #22
"training and placement for unemployed people provided by Workforce Investment Boards" grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #25
Yes, you may. We may have to scream really loud to get them stopped randys1 Nov 2015 #26
You guys need to get a grip. CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #28
Terrorism is a criminal matter, ronnie624 Nov 2015 #39
Technically your statement is correct, but it ignores reality CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #45
Your entire world-view rests on your certainty in American exceptionalism. ronnie624 Nov 2015 #47
I'm sorry, but that is BS CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #64
The FBI would not attack New Jersey, bomb civilians, and depose the govt.! grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #50
No, of course not... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #63
You seem to believe that the "Taliban" is a monolithic organization... bvar22 Nov 2015 #48
1) the taliban offered to give over Osama bin Laden, Bush refused. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #65
The different factions... deathrind Nov 2015 #29
"Criminal Incompetence"? bvf Nov 2015 #32
I say incompetence... deathrind Nov 2015 #34
I agree! CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #66
Pandora's Box... deathrind Nov 2015 #68
k/r - we'll keep meddling - 840high Nov 2015 #30
Ah, but think of all the war profiteers benefiting from the empire's wars. valerief Nov 2015 #31
I wish I could recommend this post 1000+ I hate liars Nov 2015 #33
K&R. It is time to stop spending money on war and start spending money on liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #37
A criminal, murderous waste of resources and energy. ronnie624 Nov 2015 #38
"What has been done to Iraq for the last 24 years, is a crime with few rivals in history." cpwm17 Nov 2015 #46
Yea jamzrockz Nov 2015 #40
* ronnie624 Nov 2015 #41
True of just about everything post WW II eridani Nov 2015 #43
Hence, the U.S. en route to breaking up into 3 - 6 smaller countries by mid-century villager Nov 2015 #51
That's a strikingly deceptive and misleading pie chart, to the point of being dishonest. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #52
No, it's not. This is exactly where our tax money goes. Our FICA payments are Insurance, grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #53
You're simply wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #54
You've included FICA payments. FICA is an insurance program, not paid for grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #58
I wonder what the actual figure/percentage is hifiguy Nov 2015 #56
I've heard 70%.... that leaves precious little for building a great society. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #60
Even at 60-65%, the mind shrivels. hifiguy Nov 2015 #61
I agree with you except for this part. totodeinhere Nov 2015 #57
You're right, I should have said "improper military spending, such as that being spent for the grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #59
Live by the sword, die by the sword RobertEarl Nov 2015 #67
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