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19. right here you're close to the underlying rationale, as i see it
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 05:41 PM
Nov 2015

> the most passionate opponents of a higher minimum wage tend, in my experience, to be making little more than the minimum wage themselves
(emphasis added)

this is the #1 factor. it's a long established tradition in this country that earning potential = virtue, so even if they're only earning $0.10/hr over minimum, in their minds they've proved themselves superior to anyone making a minimum wage.

if the minimum wage rises, even if it pushes their salaries up nearly as much, it also pushes up the salaries of those to whom they used to be able to think of themselves as superior. suddenly they're stuck earning minimum wage too, and are no longer able to find evidence of their superiority in their hourly wages.

you can argue absolute benefits of raising everyone's wages until you're blue in the face, the problem is they see themselves losing a relative benefit, tiny and illusory as it may be -- the ability to see themselves as "better" than someone else. this is a barely conscious self-deception rooted in alienation and a lack of true self-esteem.

naturally, none of them will ever admit to it straight up, but watch the vigor with which they cling to their self-deceit, and the put-downs they rain upon those earning slightly less than them. it is this phenomenon which makes worker solidarity in this country so very difficult.

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Everyone I know who feels this way is a Florida man. They were smarter when they lived up north. bettyellen Nov 2015 #1
No, plenty of them were just as ignorant up North as they are when they've moved down here. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #20
I think the dudes I am thinking of just got more conservative as they got older. bettyellen Nov 2015 #29
Yes. The idiots think that the MW is a horrible thing that destroys capitalism. randys1 Nov 2015 #2
The corporate snow job has truly been PatrickforO Nov 2015 #3
GReat recap...gonna use that somewhere. But, when you say this to them, it is like randys1 Nov 2015 #6
Amazing how the Corporate Media Wellstone ruled Nov 2015 #7
Agreed. hifiguy Nov 2015 #17
The only people I know who really hate it are business owners. MADem Nov 2015 #4
Yep Kalidurga Nov 2015 #5
Sure. jeff47 Nov 2015 #8
Thanks for the replies! Orrex Nov 2015 #9
This little slogan is really all you need when dealing with minimum wage arguments... AOR Nov 2015 #14
The single wisest thing Lincoln ever said. hifiguy Nov 2015 #18
Honesty in discussion is best Hifi... AOR Nov 2015 #21
Thats pretty much the ignorance. Xolodno Nov 2015 #16
right here you're close to the underlying rationale, as i see it 0rganism Nov 2015 #19
^ THIS ^ mac56 Nov 2015 #31
Yes: Libertarian *holes. I just don't bother. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #10
Right here on DU. Kingofalldems Nov 2015 #11
After my earlier post I realized the same thing. I had a knock-down drag-out fight with someone here Hekate Nov 2015 #25
Yep. I can think of at least 3 right here. Kingofalldems Nov 2015 #26
Yes Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #12
No. hunter Nov 2015 #13
Yep. Said it wasn't fair to others that had to wait to earn Ilsa Nov 2015 #15
There is a middle ground Jon Luc Picard Nov 2015 #22
Minimum wage increases have alway been incremental... Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #23
Nobody Jon Luc Picard Nov 2015 #24
I've learned to not engage. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #27
My favorite is when they say... ion_theory Nov 2015 #28
I am against a caste society in general. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #30
No, it's not remotely close to how scheduled castes are treated Recursion Nov 2015 #32
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