What's the difference between a "liberal" and a "leftist," if there is one...

[patrice]

53. Because Liberal core values center around authentic freedom, not the means of production,

they seek the ability to choose either, neither, or both capitalism or socialism, the opportunity to be free enough to choose to obey or not to obey whatever power construct is relevant. The potential for choices is affected by others, i.e. the power struggle known as politics, which is more of a Leftist endeavor than it is a Liberal effort.

To the extent that a Liberal is involved in political power struggles, their concerns about those who are affecting the potential for free choice can be affected by their perception of others' freedom to choose. When it appears that some "choices" are not in fact choices, not free, but rather motivated instead by a lack of choice, e.g. a compulsion to anger; the need to express power through destruction; ignorance; dishonesty, or any of a myriad of other enslaving motivations, it is likely that a free Liberal will move toward the Conservative position in order to avoid enslaving others, some of whom are completely unaware of the struggle and therefore disempowered as to choice, anymore than they already are through the propagation of what is being called freedom, but may in fact not be free, but rather an inability to choose, i.e. another form of slavery with hot power-labels on it.

Another difference between Liberals and Leftists is that Liberals know and will openly admit the possibility of their own enslavement by some/any/all of the e.g.s I suggested above and a Leftist, being politically motivated for power, can/will-not, which makes a Liberal at least possibly more free than a Leftist.

Whatever anyone is saying about Liberals and "the means of production", they should ask themselves if they are describing symptoms or possible root causes.