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DetlefK

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10. Non-equilibrium processes are the latest research into the beginnings of life.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:31 AM
Nov 2015

The theory is that an icy comet with organic impurities (Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Sulphur) crashes into the planet. The crash creates a chemical environment out of equilibrium, where the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics no longer counts. The result are complicated molecules.

evidence, schmevidence. ya gotta believe! KG Nov 2015 #1
Well, faith IS a major part of religion. 7962 Nov 2015 #25
Faith is used to avoid critical thinking.U R told what to believe. bjobotts Nov 2015 #132
Thats the opposite of faith. 7962 Nov 2015 #146
Hey, watch it. I had some schmevidence with my steak the other night, loved it. randys1 Nov 2015 #118
low sodium, perfect. here's another health tip nilram Nov 2015 #136
Neil deGrasse Tyson is a national treasure. nt DLevine Nov 2015 #2
He really is hifiguy Nov 2015 #72
He gives me faith in humanity...get it, faith...me, humanity...yep randys1 Nov 2015 #120
It's very high praise! CrispyQ Nov 2015 #202
The thermodynamic argument behind Intelligent Design has a simple mathematical error. DetlefK Nov 2015 #3
I never heard that argument before. rogerashton Nov 2015 #6
Non-equilibrium processes are the latest research into the beginnings of life. DetlefK Nov 2015 #10
Yes, but doesn't even require infinite number of particles Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #17
It would be interesting to do relativistic thermodynamics. DetlefK Nov 2015 #22
In addition to that, Earth is not a closed system hatrack Nov 2015 #35
Yeah, Mr. smartypants, well the sun just set. central scrutinizer Nov 2015 #128
Entropy is my favorite state, actually. Hortensis Nov 2015 #170
I think of it as a nuclear reactor that is 93 million miles away from the nearest elementary school eridani Nov 2015 #159
To quote the great MC Hawking whopis01 Nov 2015 #162
it is rooted in some rather gross assumptions... 0rganism Nov 2015 #206
Entropy is a statistical/mathematical attribute, rather than a physical one. DetlefK Nov 2015 #212
low relative to a rock, you mean 0rganism Nov 2015 #221
The smallest features in microprocessors are 15-20 nm. The smallest feature in an organism is <1nm. DetlefK Nov 2015 #226
I love listening to him Science. pinstikfartherin Nov 2015 #4
+1 Person 2713 Nov 2015 #43
if there is a god madokie Nov 2015 #5
"Man has rarely if ever dreamed up a god superior to himself." hobbit709 Nov 2015 #8
Well that sure is a great statement. AllyCat Nov 2015 #15
That's either Lazarus Long or Jubal Harshaw speaking from Robert A. Heinlein's typewriter ! Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #18
Money quote: hifiguy Nov 2015 #74
I used to be LittleGirl Nov 2015 #7
I think there is a separation leftynyc Nov 2015 #14
Very brief and powerful statement. Many here wont understand it. 7962 Nov 2015 #28
imho, "spirituality" is an evolutionary holdover mopinko Nov 2015 #37
Disagree leftynyc Nov 2015 #44
i agree restorefreedom Nov 2015 #47
I'm sure it has leftynyc Nov 2015 #56
i never thought of that regarding judaism restorefreedom Nov 2015 #59
Agree leftynyc Nov 2015 #61
ugh. sad but probably true. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #62
And certainly some folks- like 12 steppers- are comfortable doing all sorts of semantic gymnastics Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #167
Yep, The opening scene of 2001 a Space Odyssey captured it quite nicely snooper2 Nov 2015 #182
Same here.. took years to find myself mountain grammy Nov 2015 #33
Of all the ways to divide people into two groups hifiguy Nov 2015 #76
Cosmos had a big impact on me as well. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #229
Unfortunately, that requires a couple of very uncomfortable admissions that theists aren't ready to Warpy Nov 2015 #106
What designed God? GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #9
Magic Man done it? caraher Nov 2015 #11
God always existed, because bible. Orrex Nov 2015 #13
It is far more plausible that a mechanistic universe hifiguy Nov 2015 #77
And even that seems implausible when you think about it. We're used to everything having... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #181
there is no time for god... snooper2 Nov 2015 #183
Supergod. n/t whopis01 Nov 2015 #163
K&R! stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #12
Prayer works better if you take the antibiotics. IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #16
Would you like the Noah's Ark antibiotics or the ones that were intelligently designed? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #19
Being "created" by something was a way for early manking to make sense of the world. ladyVet Nov 2015 #20
You're in the finest of company. hifiguy Nov 2015 #79
I am proud to be in the company of thinking beings. ;) ladyVet Nov 2015 #156
Douglas Adams - FreedomRain Nov 2015 #154
Adams had so many wonderful and clever quotes. hifiguy Nov 2015 #210
We have a lot to learn as a species. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #21
That ain't right Nac Mac Feegle Nov 2015 #23
I gots a question. -none Nov 2015 #24
That never stops things like that from being spread around as truth! 7962 Nov 2015 #29
Maybe the quote is Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #125
... AngryAmish Nov 2015 #126
Another good one. But not as good as your LAST one! 7962 Nov 2015 #130
I can not get my head around that quote fasttense Nov 2015 #30
the only thing you're missing is that it isn't a real quote fishwax Nov 2015 #32
That ryan_cats Nov 2015 #42
It is a joke, yes. aidbo Nov 2015 #152
Why would you post something that clearly wrongly attributes a quote to someone? tabasco Nov 2015 #119
Are you new here? AngryAmish Nov 2015 #121
That's not an answer. tabasco Nov 2015 #169
You will get nothing, and long for it's absence. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #171
There is nothing wrong with me. tabasco Nov 2015 #177
It's a joke Takket Nov 2015 #142
Yet we think we can be stewards of the planet The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #26
How did life start? robersl Nov 2015 #27
And it also should have happened elsewhere 7962 Nov 2015 #31
Sooo. kwolf68 Nov 2015 #48
No, thats not what I said. Just that its not an absolute. 7962 Nov 2015 #63
I think he said we have no benevolent god. PassingFair Nov 2015 #92
If you believe in imaginary sky wizards then you will believe anything. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #54
If you dont believe in something, you'll fall for anything. 7962 Nov 2015 #64
The laws of nature that have been discovered in the scientific era hifiguy Nov 2015 #81
Not believing in "god" doesn't mean skepticscott Nov 2015 #165
Possibly the most idiotic piece of bumper sticker non-wisdom ever floated by the bs brigade. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #168
The "BS Brigade" is just as much those who rush to deride any who have a belief. 7962 Nov 2015 #173
Yeah facts and evidence make people cocky. Rex Nov 2015 #184
yet there is no evidence that a higher power doesnt exist. Enjoy your high horse. 7962 Nov 2015 #187
The rules of debate require those putting the affirmative case hifiguy Nov 2015 #219
you're joking, here, right? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #223
What is "God" and where did it come from? nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #186
Faith means you get to use magic to answer all your questions. Rex Nov 2015 #191
Irrelevant response. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #222
No, it should NOT have a place in any science curriculum. Not at all. 7962 Nov 2015 #224
Some would rather live at the shallow end of the pool. Rex Nov 2015 #185
If "seeing and touching" is what it takes for you to believe, 7962 Nov 2015 #188
You don't get it. Rex Nov 2015 #189
Oh, I get it. As I said before, enjoy your lofty perch above the rest of us! 7962 Nov 2015 #213
Lofty perch? I see you have no clue at all. Rex Nov 2015 #217
So of course you resort to insulting my education. Typical. 7962 Nov 2015 #225
lol - u think god is a sky wizard saturnsring Nov 2015 #129
Thats the favorite cute term used by the non believing folk 7962 Nov 2015 #131
CORRECTION: IMAGINARY sky wizard. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #137
Dude (or Dudette), we've only been looking for, what, forty years? ladyVet Nov 2015 #157
Who made the intelligent creator? fasttense Nov 2015 #34
Who set off the Big Bang? robersl Nov 2015 #39
You are Not a full creationist? So, you are taking the real ID position? fasttense Nov 2015 #53
Evidence for God robersl Nov 2015 #57
Yes I can prove there is NO God fasttense Nov 2015 #67
Evidence for God robersl Nov 2015 #71
It is not somehow, science can give you the play by play down to what the atoms are doing. Rex Nov 2015 #75
I'm not knocking science robersl Nov 2015 #78
Not at all hard to hash out. You have billions of years and trillions of objects colliding together Rex Nov 2015 #82
So robersl Nov 2015 #83
Hands? What are you talking about? Rex Nov 2015 #87
But now you're left with the harder problem of explaining where God came from ... GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #141
Your idea of evidence is really nothing but spin. fasttense Nov 2015 #228
One school of cosmological thought hifiguy Nov 2015 #80
Also the mere fact of thousands of religions in the world, compounded with all the unknown Rex Nov 2015 #89
Not for anyone who understands the basis of hifiguy Nov 2015 #90
I agree it should be a clue as big as their mind can wrap around the idea. Rex Nov 2015 #94
The problem arises when it can be shown hifiguy Nov 2015 #97
True, it goes deep to the core of their belief system. Rex Nov 2015 #99
I always come back to Carl Sagan, hifiguy Nov 2015 #101
Could not agree more! Rex Nov 2015 #111
A complex universe must have been designed by a complex intelligence. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #143
Yes, that's how I feel about the Big Bang robersl Nov 2015 #178
Except that we can observe evidence of a big bang. Now. Today. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #214
Emergent behavior. immoderate Nov 2015 #38
Smug answer, sloppy thinking robersl Nov 2015 #40
Emergent behavior is a way of describing what things do. immoderate Nov 2015 #46
Emergence is fascinating hifiguy Nov 2015 #96
I started with encounters with Conway's program, referenced in Peter Gleick's book on Chaos. immoderate Nov 2015 #109
Agree about Darwin. hifiguy Nov 2015 #112
No, one-cell living things have extremely complex cell structures NOW. jeff47 Nov 2015 #45
So when you say "Ta-da" robersl Nov 2015 #55
No, it's an example of how the more complex structures appeared. jeff47 Nov 2015 #60
Anthropomorphizing evolution? robersl Nov 2015 #65
So you don't know what the word "anthropomorphizing" means. jeff47 Nov 2015 #66
Hmm robersl Nov 2015 #68
No, you actually didn't cite any miracles. jeff47 Nov 2015 #69
that is what often hangs me up is the beginning of the beginning of the universe restorefreedom Nov 2015 #49
The problem is that you have a problem of infinite regress, something had to have caused that... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #110
for me it is more an interesting academic discussion restorefreedom Nov 2015 #115
The thing is that the Big Bang is practically the only gap left for the "God of the gaps" to occupy. Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #117
true, but the possibility also exists restorefreedom Nov 2015 #124
Something must have existed before the Big Bang NonMetro Nov 2015 #151
Nothing is created or destroyed, only changed. nt ladyVet Nov 2015 #158
The Big Bang, from what we can tell, is the literal beginning, there was no "before"... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #160
I believe most scientists won't agree with you, including Neil deGrasse Tyson. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #208
He argues for a multiverse, not an infinite universe, those are different things... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #209
Our Universe likely came from the same previous existence cpwm17 Nov 2015 #215
They could have triggered it maybe, but I doubt any information traveled from previous universes... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #216
Certainly details about the Multiverse are speculative cpwm17 Nov 2015 #220
The Argument from Personal Incredulity trotsky Nov 2015 #73
Please spare me the condescending babble robersl Nov 2015 #85
Did you look in a mirror when you said that? hobbit709 Nov 2015 #86
LOL no doubt... trotsky Nov 2015 #91
Good one robersl Nov 2015 #95
Do you know what a logical fallacy is? trotsky Nov 2015 #88
If robersl Nov 2015 #93
Let me help you. trotsky Nov 2015 #98
Really? robersl Nov 2015 #107
It is unfortunate you are unable to see your error. trotsky Nov 2015 #113
Can you expound on this please? opiate69 Nov 2015 #100
Mars and Venus robersl Nov 2015 #105
Well... opiate69 Nov 2015 #108
You seem to forget that life on Earth is fine tuned for conditions on Earth, not the other way... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #114
The "Finely-Tuned Universe" argument has been ongoing for a century now robersl Nov 2015 #179
The most important word in that uncredited excerpt: trotsky Nov 2015 #180
Hey, don't take it so hard robersl Nov 2015 #192
LOL!!! YOU are the one who thinks you have all the answers! nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #193
LOL trotsky Nov 2015 #194
Let me help you robersl Nov 2015 #198
So you're telling me to take every question you've asked, trotsky Nov 2015 #199
Study on it robersl Nov 2015 #200
Probably not - I mean, I'm really dumb, according to you. Super dumb. trotsky Nov 2015 #201
I do not recall calling you dumb, and robersl Nov 2015 #203
Well then, with that admission you just sabotaged your entire argument. trotsky Nov 2015 #204
Even if that assertion is true as you excerpted it(uncredited I might add), I don't... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #207
There are millions of planets in this galaxy; many are at the right distance from their sun muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #172
Galactic jizz. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #116
To get the general principles... gcomeau Nov 2015 #123
And an article on more recent thinking about the origins of cells, and the use of energy: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #175
What an interesting article. Thanks! n/t trotsky Nov 2015 #196
Do you understand the depth of billions of years? Rex Nov 2015 #139
most everyone agrees that it was very improbable quaker bill Nov 2015 #227
Humans at the top of the food chain? mountain grammy Nov 2015 #36
Tao vs Zen Octafish Nov 2015 #41
Intelligent Design is hokem kwolf68 Nov 2015 #50
Loved Neil on with Bill Moyer speaking about Religion, Science and the Universe. Stellar Nov 2015 #51
That was a great segment. nt valerief Nov 2015 #52
There's fallacy in Tyson's argument too. hunter Nov 2015 #58
We have separate forums on this site devoted to discussing religion. BlueStater Nov 2015 #70
The segment is more about how religion affects politics and our valerief Nov 2015 #103
Listening to Tyson, Dawkins, or Lawrence Krauss hifiguy Nov 2015 #84
Commie randys1 Nov 2015 #102
Religion exists only because humans are afraid of death tabasco Nov 2015 #104
The philosophical fail is so strong, it's depressing. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #122
you have to assume that god wants you to live forever saturnsring Nov 2015 #127
I have yet to hear a single evidence-based argument for the existence of God n2doc Nov 2015 #133
How About This robersl Nov 2015 #145
Descartes would be proud of that tkmorris Nov 2015 #149
Thank you robersl Nov 2015 #176
Touché! Foiled by his own argument! LOL! nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #195
let's make this weird! MisterP Nov 2015 #148
An intelligent designer does not have to be benevolent IronLionZion Nov 2015 #134
Adventures of God... hunter Nov 2015 #147
Please, enough with the bearded old man/God digs robersl Nov 2015 #174
Do you think it matters what God looks like? hunter Nov 2015 #190
No, it doesn't matter robersl Nov 2015 #197
Not necessarily - the True Believers have an answer for all this - LiberalElite Nov 2015 #135
It is my belief that there IS a creator. retrowire Nov 2015 #138
The man's got a point.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #140
Boom! Mic drop, blackspade Nov 2015 #144
Since we are discussing WOO OxQQme Nov 2015 #150
I don't believe we're important enough to have a creator. Humans are fairly close to being nothing. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #153
I love Neil DeGrasse Tyson! Initech Nov 2015 #155
Atheists can be pretty quick to congratulate themselves on debate points ... King_Klonopin Nov 2015 #161
We know that what one observes in chemistry, biochemistry and physiology cpwm17 Nov 2015 #205
Nicely put. hifiguy Nov 2015 #218
Actually those only disprove a benevolent god, however, the fact is that... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #211
They should actually call it Stupid Design eridani Nov 2015 #164
To exist is to exist somewhere Shankapotomus Nov 2015 #166
That's a good point. n/t cpwm17 Nov 2015 #230
Many of the main characters in the New Testament died miserable deaths Kaleva Nov 2015 #231
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