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41. I've got one that dings 'both sides' on DU for shallow understanding of the whole thing. Bernie

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:14 AM

Nov 2015

introduced a Bill in the Senate to remove marijuana from the schedule of controlled substances, allowing States to regulate as they wish.
One one side the Hillary folks were claiming Bernie was grandstanding by making a radical gesture that could not possibly go anywhere. It was 'Bernie's Bill' and 'a waste of time' and 'typical progressive wheel spinning'.
But the House version of that bill was introduced first in 2013 then in March of this year by Rep Jared Polis of Colorado. Polis is a co-chair of Third Way. His House bill has 18 co-sponsors.

This means Bernie did not make this bill up to get attention AND that Third Way Democrats, while not my favorite brand of Democrats, are just moderate Democrats and some of them have some good objectives. Bernie's Pot Grandstanding Bill is also Third Way Jared's Pot Bill.

Politics. If you don't understand the realities, you can't be effective as an agent of change.

Thread in which no one on any side had any idea who had been advancing what:
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Do you consider President Obama to be a "Third Wayer"? [View all] Nye Bevan Nov 2015 OP

I think he was forced into it Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1

I have to agree with this... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #4

I think his intentions were honorable and he's accomplished some decent things. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #12

This^^^ and the other two reply posts. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #15

They must have started forcing him early though. Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff WAS Third Way! cascadiance Nov 2015 #17

That's because his cabinet chose him. canoeist52 Nov 2015 #38

He kept Bob Gates as his Defense Secretary, for Christ's sake! I sure as fuck KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #40

His whole cabinet was Turd Way Doctor_J Nov 2015 #54

Indeed. Arne fuckin' Duncan, Emmanuel, Gates, and the rest were all Turdwayers. All his appointees Erose999 Nov 2015 #83

And all the Wall Streeters he employed to lead his Treasury Dep't, including Cal33 Nov 2015 #57

DWS and Rahm both appeared to me to be a way of reaching out to the Clinton camp. ieoeja Nov 2015 #72

Rahm disappointed HRC by refusing to endorse in 08. He was a CHICAGO guy. MADem Nov 2015 #140

Agreed. silverweb Nov 2015 #18

During the campaign, he had more praise for Reagan than for any Democratic icon Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #24

i see your point. silverweb Nov 2015 #27

From my perspective, I don't think he's accomplished all that much Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #29

I didn't know that about expats! silverweb Nov 2015 #81

the look on his face the day after his inauguration hopemountain Nov 2015 #21

No one forced him into TPP Doctor_J Nov 2015 #53

I think that's way too generous. I remember hearing one of Obama's professors talking about him. Marr Nov 2015 #94

Hell yes.....TPP alone will earn you that status. yourout Nov 2015 #2

^^^ THIS ^^^ Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #3

Absolutely - Without Doubt - Without Question - TPP - Drone War ... cantbeserious Nov 2015 #5

Don't forget the Cat Food Commission. hifiguy Nov 2015 #111

He's done things that I don't like but I don't think I would go that far. NT Quackers Nov 2015 #6

I feel like I need a tin foil hat Dem2 Nov 2015 #7

Amazing isn't it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #8

Don't worry. cui bono Nov 2015 #14

Can't name 3 cabinent members zipplewrath Nov 2015 #82

If by political junkies, you mean people who are good at name calling Dem2 Nov 2015 #88

Not exactly zipplewrath Nov 2015 #119

Well, I do agree with that sentiment Dem2 Nov 2015 #120

I'd advise an aluminium colander lined with heavy duty tin foil!!! MADem Nov 2015 #141

The group or the political philosophy? Recursion Nov 2015 #9

No but I believe that his circle of advisors is stacked with them JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #10

Yes, but he doesn't like to be associated with it Hydra Nov 2015 #11

Yeah, but moderate Republican is pretty much Third Way by definition. cui bono Nov 2015 #13

Well WE know who is REALLY the NEW Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #76

Indeed we do! Hydra Nov 2015 #123

How about one that just said... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #124

Few politicians are ideal matches for any political label, ZombieHorde Nov 2015 #16

Absolutely zalinda Nov 2015 #19

And whistleblowers... haikugal Nov 2015 #33

absolutely ibegurpard Nov 2015 #20

yes, even though he is black noiretextatique Nov 2015 #22

Not really. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #23

"Old-fashined conservative?" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #25

The Turd Way is an umbrella hifiguy Nov 2015 #98

On DU, "Third Wayer" is a term used to describe anyone that a subset here does not like. MADem Nov 2015 #26

Do you have an example or two bvf Nov 2015 #32

I've got one that dings 'both sides' on DU for shallow understanding of the whole thing. Bernie Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #41

Yeah, I noticed you didn't get a response bvf Nov 2015 #112

There's a wee box in the right hand upper corner--type the phrase in there, and all will be revealed MADem Nov 2015 #58

The operative phrase here is bvf Nov 2015 #100

like tulsi gabbard JI7 Nov 2015 #35

She's a very good example of "enemy of my enemy"--certainly. nt MADem Nov 2015 #60

You get the BPOTT award. ileus Nov 2015 #37

Code phrase for "any sub-human not agreeing 100% with Sanders", which includes Obama, apparently. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #55

they also use neo liberal, corporatist, DINO, republican lite redstateblues Nov 2015 #129

Can we use "Looney Left"? Just the one phrase will do! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #138

Everyone under the bus is Thirdway now... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #103

And "Thirdwayers" who say things that some people like get a dispensation.... MADem Nov 2015 #104

Funny whe 45 members of the Progressive Caucus VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #105

Any elected official who doesn't endorse bernie redstateblues Nov 2015 #130

The "Not Progressive Enough to Feel That Bern" Caucus! MADem Nov 2015 #139

Remember when Corey Booker made those vaguely nice comments about Sanders?? Number23 Nov 2015 #108

Ha ha ha -- so TRUE! nt MADem Nov 2015 #109

It's comical how Third Way on DU has become this shadowy Blacklist redstateblues Nov 2015 #131

It does appear this way Dem2 Nov 2015 #142

Many people use the term without understanding what it means. MADem Nov 2015 #143

varies by issue 6chars Nov 2015 #28

No, and while he has done many great things davidpdx Nov 2015 #30

Rahm Emmanual, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, Eric Holder, TPP, drones, etc., etc. Scuba Nov 2015 #31

Labels suck. Obama is one of the finest Presidents we will ever see. randome Nov 2015 #34

Most people only live to see what, a dozen presidents, at the most? My dad lived to see FDR. So far Erose999 Nov 2015 #85

damn right. I'm 67 and I've lived through redstateblues Nov 2015 #132

Absolutely. TM99 Nov 2015 #36

A resounding NO. He's the first sitting U.S. president to be featured on a gay magazine - for his BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #39

supporting racial, gender, or sexual orientation equality does not define one as a progressive, daybranch Nov 2015 #42

Not supporting such equality however does define one as a regressive, a conservative, Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #45

He wasn't just "supporting it". He fought to make gender equality LAW of the land, either by BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #80

The Third Way method is to trumpet social issues that cost them nothing, and to push Conservative djean111 Nov 2015 #44

The recent expansion of Social Securithy benefits to apply equally to same sex couples cost plenty Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #46

Congress killed the public option by not voting for it. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #49

When did Congress vote on the public option? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #69

Never. hifiguy Nov 2015 #113

I'm thinking it was some Democratic senator Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #115

No electable white candidate in 2008 or 2012 could have been a fraction of the success this man randys1 Nov 2015 #102

I agree. He's been one of America's most transformative presidents, and he's been the BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #122

yes. nt m-lekktor Nov 2015 #43

Where are the "No" votes coming from? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #47

Third wayer means anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders at DU geek tragedy Nov 2015 #48

Barack Obama is the most liberal president in US history. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #50

Typical propaganda statement with NO substantive detail! cascadiance Nov 2015 #59

It's a fact, Barack Obama is the most liberal president in US history. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #62

You should learn the difference between facts and opinions. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #63

It is undeniable that Barack Obama is the most liberal president in US history. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #68

Then I can respond that Bernie Sanders is the most progressive senator on capitol hill IS A FACT!!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #70

I would go further. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #71

I agree redstateblues Nov 2015 #134

LBJ, FDR, Wilson, and a whole lot of other presidents would disagree. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #78

Lyndon Johnson called MFrohike Nov 2015 #116

If he's not tazkcmo Nov 2015 #51

. Rex Nov 2015 #52

The folks that voted "no" in this thread are clueless or something else. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #56

or maybe you don't know everything. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #87

Seems some heavy denial is going on. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #89

If you mean his policies are to the right of Bernie Sanders, then you are correct. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #90

POTUS Obama has positive accomplishments. Results and policies are not monolithic. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #91

That Obama told a group of moderate Democrats he's one of them means he's geek tragedy Nov 2015 #92

They are once again projecting what they think they support onto the establishment candidate. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #107

Folks on DU use Third Way as a straw man redstateblues Nov 2015 #135

I consider "Third Way" to be an obnoxious Strawman term thrown out by obnoxious people... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #61

Yeah, I can see that Bradical79 Nov 2015 #67

Yep, Third Way the organization is as a "third way" much as the "Progressive Policy Institute"... cascadiance Nov 2015 #73

Did you read reply 47? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #74

+ a million billion trillion Number23 Nov 2015 #110

What brought this on, might I ask? Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #64

Because something doesn't compute. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #75

Life is not as black-and-white as you'd like to make it. jeff47 Nov 2015 #79

I think you're right and that labeling someone a "Third-Wayer" Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #84

No, the error is thinking "Third way" is conservative in the same way as Republicans. jeff47 Nov 2015 #86

I knew that when I voted for him in the general Bradical79 Nov 2015 #65

I think he cares a lot more about Wall Street than he cares about working people. NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #66

Yes and no Rebkeh Nov 2015 #77

Wow, these results are stunning...almost sickening randys1 Nov 2015 #93

He became one as soon as he floriduck Nov 2015 #95

Yes. He's just not as adept at triangulating as the Clintons. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #96

Unquestionably yes. hifiguy Nov 2015 #97

I voted Pass, he's got alot of them around though. Here's a primer on Third Way fwiw today. bobthedrummer Nov 2015 #99

TPP alone qualifies him. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #101

He ran both campaigns as a center-right Democrat. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #106

Hard to say. If we were talking Bill I'd say he's about 95% third way but Obama is about 50% craigmatic Nov 2015 #114

This poll has jumped the megalodon. MineralMan Nov 2015 #117

DU represents a tiny sliver of the electorate redstateblues Nov 2015 #137

Of course he is WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2015 #118

We saw it coming a long way ago. ozone_man Nov 2015 #125

The poll results so far, speak for themselves. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #126

It definitely mirrors the Sanders Clinton redstateblues Nov 2015 #136

Such delicious flypaper. Egnever Nov 2015 #127

Third Way is a straw man for the Obama Hillary haters redstateblues Nov 2015 #128

One of many examples: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #133