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(96,793 posts) Sun May 27, 2012, 02:48 PM May 2012

Man, 65, shoots motorcyclist in road rage incident [View all]

ST. LOUIS | O'Fallon police said a 65-year-old man traveling with his wife and grandson shot a motorcyclist during a road rage incident.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that the motorcyclist became upset with the man for cutting off his wife, who was driving a separate motorcycle on Interstate 70 on Saturday.

Police said the 49-year-old motorcyclist and the grandfather exited the highway and the male motorcyclist walked up to the grandfather's car at a red light. The two men argued, and police said the motorcyclist assaulted the 65-year-old driver, who pulled out a semi-automatic pistol and shot the motorcyclist once in the upper chest.

Police said the motorcyclist was hospitalized, but his injury doesn't appear life-threatening. They didn't release the names of the people involved.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/27/3629851/man-65-shoots-motorcyclist-in.html#storylink=cpy

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Man, 65, shoots motorcyclist in road rage incident [View all] proud2BlibKansan May 2012 OP

"Motorcyclist Shot After Assaulting 65-Year-Old Man at Traffic Light" seems more accurate to me. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #1

That certainly seems to be the case here. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #3

OTOH I'd happily see the 65-year-old prosecuted if he were carrying the gun illegally. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #6

Exactly. Aerows May 2012 #11

funny how they try to push the blame on the motorist and not the cyclist. WI_DEM May 2012 #63

Here's a clue for you.. sendero May 2012 #65

Here's a better clue. Clames May 2012 #77

At a stop light, *after* the incident?!? X_Digger May 2012 #83

You approve of taking the law into your own hands? L0oniX May 2012 #126

+1 4th law of robotics May 2012 #94

And you know this how, Professor ? Kingofalldems May 2012 #116

Because they left out key details 4th law of robotics May 2012 #143

I disagree with the term "road rage" for this incident. ZombieHorde May 2012 #2

I see your point. FarPoint May 2012 #4

You misread the article. ManiacJoe May 2012 #108

Foolish thing to do in the 1st place oldernwiser May 2012 #122

+1 L0oniX May 2012 #127

Amen to that n/t deutsey May 2012 #178

Oh..... got it now....thanks FarPoint May 2012 #164

Just another thug Life Long Dem May 2012 #5

Which one, the shooter or the assaulter? Ikonoklast May 2012 #9

The guy who cut off the wife needs glasses or needs to look out for motorcyclist Life Long Dem May 2012 #16

Perhaps, but does that give the motorcyclist the right to beat the crap ... spin May 2012 #43

"...and police said the motorcyclist assaulted the 65-year-old driver..." BiggJawn May 2012 #7

An armed man never gets the beating he deserves. Robb May 2012 #10

An armed man Aerows May 2012 #12

Ah, thank goodness an eyewitness has stepped forward! Robb May 2012 #14

No, obviously not Aerows May 2012 #17

Insurance companies call them "crashes" because they say there are no "accidents" WriteWrong May 2012 #124

You think old men who cut people off should be beaten. Union Scribe May 2012 #34

You think motorists should kill whoever they please. Robb May 2012 #40

Yeah you seem to have a real grasp of the situation Union Scribe May 2012 #41

Your take is only slightly stupider than mine, in coming first. Robb May 2012 #60

Right, because basing a "take" on the report is stupid, while Union Scribe May 2012 #103

I commend you for defending the shooter. Robb May 2012 #109

I'm defending a realistic look at the reported facts Union Scribe May 2012 #114

Within which Union Scribe reveals bias. Robb May 2012 #132

Did the guy get shot outside that car or not? Union Scribe May 2012 #135

Again, according to the shooter's statements to police. Robb May 2012 #138

But is that enough to use deadly force on him? treestar May 2012 #141

You think the 65-year-old motorist WANTED to kill the motorcyclist? slackmaster May 2012 #71

He isn't the only one suggesting that, either. Union Scribe May 2012 #105

Why was he carrying a gun if he didn't have the intention of killing someone? baldguy May 2012 #115

Holy Shit. PavePusher May 2012 #144

Yes, isn't it obvious that's the case? baldguy May 2012 #154

Sounds like projection to me slackmaster May 2012 #171

Do people who carry fire extinguishers in their cars intend on having fires? X_Digger May 2012 #157

A gun is more akin to a match than a fire extinguisher. baldguy May 2012 #162

That's not an answer, that's a dodge. X_Digger May 2012 #173

His intention was to stop the threat to his life. Nothing more, nothing less. hack89 May 2012 #163

The only lawful purpose of carrying a gun is for self-defense slackmaster May 2012 #168

Do you wear your seat belt with the intention of getting into an accident? metalbot May 2012 #177

One of the points that pro gun people make constantly is this.. Fumesucker May 2012 #146

Slight correction sarisataka May 2012 #150

+1000 baldguy May 2012 #152

"center of mass" =/= "shoot to kill". PavePusher May 2012 #161

Oh bullshit.. Fumesucker May 2012 #167

Your unfamiliarity with firearms and their capabilities in real life is obvious. PavePusher May 2012 #183

No Fumesucker, you have it COMPLETELY wrong slackmaster May 2012 #169

In theory theory and practice are identical.. Fumesucker May 2012 #172

As I suggested previously, take a self-defense class slackmaster May 2012 #174

The class would be theory.. Fumesucker May 2012 #175

Doing something that you know is likely to kill someone is not the same as WANTING to kill someone slackmaster May 2012 #176

But often an armed man is able to stop the beating he didn't deserve... spin May 2012 #42

If an 18-year-old kid knocks your daughter off her bike into a ditch Robb May 2012 #61

What else is different about your scenario and the actual story -- oh yes an actual physical assault aikoaiko May 2012 #75

A *reported* physical assault. Robb May 2012 #76

Yes, a reported physical assault. aikoaiko May 2012 #82

That's why the man left the scene of the shooting.. Fumesucker May 2012 #86

Target fixation? n/t LACarMan May 2012 #179

Interesting scenario ... spin May 2012 #91

What if the 18 year old was physically disabled, a paraplegic for instance? Fumesucker May 2012 #110

In that case there would be a significant disparity between the two ... spin May 2012 #119

Are you endorsing 'beatings' for traffic violations? X_Digger May 2012 #85

An unarmed man never gets to beat an armed man. Incitatus May 2012 #118

Busier than one legged man in an ass kickin contest nolabels May 2012 #166

Having a loaded gun means never having to say you're sorry? :) oldernwiser May 2012 #125

So the court system should give the old guy a beating? L0oniX May 2012 #129

Yep. n/t Aerows May 2012 #13

Very possible gramps helped instigate the situation. Whatever happened to SWTORFanatic May 2012 #21

How many 65 year old boxers have you seen on TV? spin May 2012 #46

Doesn't matter, many don't know their limitations or instigate anyway. My SWTORFanatic May 2012 #67

Why would the guy hit her? spin May 2012 #93

Nope, suburbs of Milwaukee, WI SWTORFanatic May 2012 #139

I have encountered such people ... spin May 2012 #160

There's no detail in the article about the assault treestar May 2012 #84

It's not like the movies where you get to beat up people for any reason... L0oniX May 2012 #128

Cagers imperil motorcyclists all the time ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #8

That's why I quit riding. BiggJawn May 2012 #90

Here in CA where we can legally lane split, the harassment is often overt and nasty ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #92

Never got into line dancing, and it's not legal here. BiggJawn May 2012 #112

Why did the 65 year old feel the compunction to argue with the motorcyclist? Broderick May 2012 #15

Hello? Life Long Dem May 2012 #18

Like I said I wasn't there Broderick May 2012 #19

You mean you didn't "stand your ground" with a total hedgehog May 2012 #20

Precisely Broderick May 2012 #22

A lot of what ifs with a gun Life Long Dem May 2012 #27

Lol. I had a gas pedal to move if necessary. Broderick May 2012 #31

Or ended the situation. Life Long Dem May 2012 #32

I wouldn't want blood on my hands Broderick May 2012 #33

You're comparing this guy to Zimmerman? Union Scribe May 2012 #35

In a sense both were emboldened Broderick May 2012 #38

They were stopped at a red light... Kaleva May 2012 #44

Ok Broderick May 2012 #50

That's what the news article said. Kaleva May 2012 #53

say the gun was not present sarisataka May 2012 #45

Someone downthread would have said... cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #49

Good grief Broderick May 2012 #51

I can no longer win the virtue of guns question Broderick May 2012 #54

I am not looking to "win" sarisataka May 2012 #55

It's not a knee jerk reaction Broderick May 2012 #185

For myself sarisataka May 2012 #186

Great point Broderick May 2012 #188

I agree, there are those sarisataka May 2012 #189

Fair enough Broderick May 2012 #190

It has been a pleasant conversation sarisataka May 2012 #191

Lol Broderick May 2012 #193

No, it's not a question of "virtue", rather your attempt at mentalism Marengo May 2012 #97

Where are you getting "two deaths" from? Clames May 2012 #80

The situations are very comparable treestar May 2012 #98

No, they aren't. Union Scribe May 2012 #101

Yes they are also contrastable treestar May 2012 #106

You're a little off track. Union Scribe May 2012 #107

They both involve self defense treestar May 2012 #111

Thank you. Broderick May 2012 #184

"This guy shot someone who was assaulting him." Life Long Dem May 2012 #123

And because of Zimmerman it can't ever really happen? Union Scribe May 2012 #130

No. I'm saying we can compare the two incidents. treestar May 2012 #136

"The old man should have done more than just blow him away" Scootaloo May 2012 #24

I mean he had a right to blow him away. Life Long Dem May 2012 #28

I started legally carrying a handgun 15 years ago ... spin May 2012 #47

I carry and have found the same attitude change in myself. L0oniX May 2012 #131

That's a very creative interpretation of the events as described slackmaster May 2012 #70

I'm a bike rider. I avoid getting off my bike at the light to assault retirees. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #23

That always worked for me when I was riding. BiggJawn May 2012 #25

One more gun finds its victim. baldguy May 2012 #26

nah.... gunz aren't killing, people are! fascisthunter May 2012 #30

well, guns don't pull their own triggers, do they? nt Skip Intro May 2012 #37

One more man finds his victim? Honeycombe8 May 2012 #39

One more spoon makes a child fat. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #48

Yep Broderick May 2012 #52

Except that only guns create the situations in which they can be used. baldguy May 2012 #62

You are assuming the cut off was an accidental act.. Fumesucker May 2012 #64

And that brings up the possibility that the old guy was looking for someone to shoot. baldguy May 2012 #74

And that brings up the possibility the wife conspired with the driver to kill her husband aikoaiko May 2012 #78

Typical brain-addled RW response: Blame the victim. baldguy May 2012 #79

You don't really understand sarcasm, do you? Even with the :sarcasm: aikoaiko May 2012 #81

Hint: you and the anti-self-defense brigade already are. nt Union Scribe May 2012 #102

By your logic George Zimmerman is a victim too. baldguy May 2012 #117

Cutting someone off is like hunting down and murdering a teenager? Union Scribe May 2012 #120

If it was intentional, of course it is. baldguy May 2012 #134

Cager logic at its best ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #95

What is a "gunner", who are the "gunners" you refer to, and can you provide proof that ALL... Marengo May 2012 #99

Sorry, but guns don't "create" anything.... PavePusher May 2012 #148

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The gun owner didn't start the fight hack89 May 2012 #36

Imagine if every fistfight ended with someone being shot and killed Marrah_G May 2012 #56

You found what I believe is the key point sarisataka May 2012 #57

Then maybe people shouldn't start fights Union Scribe May 2012 #58

The point is that the presence of a gun makes people behave in ways they would not normally Marrah_G May 2012 #59

What is "normal" behavior for a person being assaulted? Marengo May 2012 #100

Driving away would be one. Marrah_G May 2012 #140

Sounds perfectly reasonable...from and to someone not currently under assault. Marengo May 2012 #170

This is a topic you and I likely will never agree on Marrah_G May 2012 #182

You've intrigued my curiosity... Marengo May 2012 #192

So as a society we should prefer Union Scribe May 2012 #104

So there was no other choice but to shoot? Marrah_G May 2012 #142

So there was no other choice but to shoot? sarisataka May 2012 #145

Exactly true. The whole mentality will lead to more shootings treestar May 2012 #87

People wouldn't be so quick to assault others. JVS May 2012 #159

There would definitely be fewer fistfights. 4th law of robotics May 2012 #187

Some more details JonLP24 May 2012 #66

Given that the motorcyclist's wife was present it seems reasonable to get away from her slackmaster May 2012 #69

Perhaps JonLP24 May 2012 #72

Given that nobody was killed or even seriously injured, the story is quite forgettable slackmaster May 2012 #73

Yes, I think it would be natural to run out of there treestar May 2012 #88

Began to assault the driver treestar May 2012 #89

That too has me puzzled ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #96

It seems in Missouri, intent to assault = assault. Robb May 2012 #113

The Castile Doctrine would apply to that situation in Florida. L0oniX May 2012 #133

From the description of events in the brief article, it looks to me like a justifiable shooting slackmaster May 2012 #68

The fact that he was drunk ... spin May 2012 #121

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO BATTER OR ASSAULT ANYONE FOR ANY REASON! L0oniX May 2012 #137

On the other hand there are excellent reasons to shoot people.. Fumesucker May 2012 #147

Yes sarisataka May 2012 #149

But that wouldn't be a good enough reason to hit someone? Fumesucker May 2012 #151

It would sarisataka May 2012 #153

Thanks.. Fumesucker May 2012 #155

I don't see the logical hole hack89 May 2012 #181

You need to quit sucking on fumes before it's too late. L0oniX May 2012 #156

Aww.. Making fun of someone's name.. Fumesucker May 2012 #158

When assholes (almost) collide. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #165

Vehicular homicide. ooops! My bad. Javaman May 2012 #180

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