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G_j

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Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:22 PM Nov 2015

A classic formula for pi has been discovered hidden in hydrogen atoms [View all]

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http://www.sciencealert.com/a-classic-formula-for-pi-has-been-discovered-hidden-in-hydrogen-atoms

For the first time, scientists have discovered a classic formula for pi in the world of quantum physics. Pi is the ratio between a circle's circumference and its diameter, and is incredibly important in pure mathematics, but now scientists have also found it "lurking" in the world of physics, when using quantum mechanics to compare the energy levels of a hydrogen atom.

Why is that exciting? Well, it reveals an incredibly special and previously unknown connection between quantum physics and maths.

"I find it fascinating that a purely mathematical formula from the 17th century characterises a physical system that was discovered 300 years later," said one of the lead researchers, Tamar Friedmann, a mathematician at the University of Rochester in the US. Seriously, wow.

The discovery was made when Carl Hagen, a particle physicist at the University of Rochester, was teaching a class on quantum mechanics and explaining to his students how to use a quantum mechanical technique known as the 'variation principle' to approximate the energy states of a hydrogen atom.

While comparing these values to conventional calculations, he noticed an unusual trend in the ratios. He asked Friedmann to help him work out this trend, and they quickly realised that it was actually a manifestation of the Wallis formula for pi – the first time it had even been derived from physics.

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Way cool! nt valerief Nov 2015 #1
Um, the link is to a story from Politico about Bush* and Nineleven(TM) KamaAina Nov 2015 #2
here: annabanana Nov 2015 #4
I find this fascinating.. annabanana Nov 2015 #3
You can also find pi in the gaussian distribution. DetlefK Nov 2015 #5
The Wallis formula.... jberryhill Nov 2015 #6
thanks that clears it up saturnsring Nov 2015 #12
Well, I think anyone can see the pattern there jberryhill Nov 2015 #13
. . . hifiguy Nov 2015 #18
'... The emergence of the formula probably doesn't signal anything profound about quantum theory, struggle4progress Nov 2015 #7
Ayup. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #16
Jolly Good Show! Octafish Nov 2015 #8
TLDR. randome Nov 2015 #9
Aw how cute, one of your groupies showed up! Rex Nov 2015 #14
Lawnmowers and weed whackers!! FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #25
and eventually all sciences and subjects will just collapse back into each other MisterP Nov 2015 #10
That is mind-bendingly cool. hifiguy Nov 2015 #11
But is it just a coincidence or is there a deeper meaning to this discovery? Rex Nov 2015 #15
I think the only thing it means standing by itself hifiguy Nov 2015 #17
You might enjoy a recent (excellent) article from Nautilus on that very topic... drokhole Nov 2015 #33
Thanks! hifiguy Nov 2015 #36
great term G_j Nov 2015 #37
The electrons orbiting hydrogen atoms are in a sphere. jeff47 Nov 2015 #19
I thought hydrogen has only one electron. Rex Nov 2015 #20
Yep, they only have 1 electron. jeff47 Nov 2015 #21
I see, so elections do not orbit in a spherical pattern in other elements. Rex Nov 2015 #22
Some of them do, some of them don't. jeff47 Nov 2015 #23
Only in the ground state caraher Nov 2015 #26
Yes, I left out that complexity since the entire concept of orbitals was new. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #32
This thread is one of the reasons I still love this place. Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #24
Agree completely. Rex Nov 2015 #30
And the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #34
I gave up thinking I knew anything long ago. Rex Nov 2015 #35
I hear ya'! Damnedable runaway brain though... nt Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #38
Kick! These are awesome threads! nt Quackers Nov 2015 #27
May I be the first to point out that this may simply be a product of bored reality programmers. byronius Nov 2015 #28
The reasoning for this is somewhat circular. Maedhros Nov 2015 #29
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #31
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