From what Obama just said sounds like we are at war.

[hifiguy]

80. Humans are what they are - hairless apes.

Just look at the way we behave - we are territorial, greedy, tribal and violent. Just like our chimp cousins. And unlike chimps we invent reasons out of nothing to kill each other and devices for doing so more efficiently and on large scales/long distances. And nothing is going to change that save evolution and the acquisition of the sort of true reason and genuine wisdom which does not come from made-up external skydaddies. We will gave to become more like Vulcans in order to survive.

The same species that gave us Plato, Mozart, Shakespeare, Einstein, the Buddha and Nelson Mandela has also given us Chinghiz Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and the Bush family. We are, taken as a species, a very mixed bag.

And to address a post one up, there is absolutely no way to resolve the propriety or the wrongness of using the atomic bomb in WW II. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese, including many, many civilians, would have died in a conventional invasion of the home islands. There was and is no good way to end a war with a population determined to fight to the last man, as the Japanese army did on every major battlefield/island in the Pacific theater.