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57. I suspect there will be a "war" declaration.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:37 AM
Nov 2015

I hope I'm wrong, but so far the rhetoric is leaning that way, and as normally is the case in these things, cooler minds don't often prevail once the leaders have drawn a line in the sand. Don't give up hope yet, though. I've become pessimistic on such things and that's not to suggest everyone should follow my example.
We shall see, and time will tell.

Tonight my heat is heavy for many reasons, and I'm torn between anger for that which could have been prevented, and terror at the beating of the new war drums.

So many preventable situations have lead us to where we are now. I'm looking back tonight to the idealistic young person I was in 2001 who knew in her heart the attack in the US would be used to begin a war in Iraq, yes, from day one, and trying to compare her to the person I am today. It's hard to see the similarities at times, and in other moments all too easy to see me as that person.

Oh, and as an aside, this could be a boon for the Republicans in 2016 if they play their cards right. A scared population is a submissive population, which plays into their hands. That I'm even considering such things at a time like this shows how far I'm removed from the still idealistic girl I was in 2001.

We're all in this together. Which I think is something we need to be reminding ourselves of more often in the coming days.

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Europe lurches farther to the right EOM Kurska Nov 2015 #1
I hope not davidpdx Nov 2015 #55
That's the plan. To orchestrate a reaction that plays into our fears. randys1 Nov 2015 #2
Gearing up of the big WAR machine maybe? nt valerief Nov 2015 #3
This is what makes me nervous. panader0 Nov 2015 #11
War profiteers must profit. They live for war. We die for it. nt valerief Nov 2015 #13
The dying seems well underway regardless. Jester Messiah Nov 2015 #18
Disaster capitalists will be working overtime Auggie Nov 2015 #32
I see it as you do, panader0. This one has the power to get loose. nt GliderGuider Nov 2015 #46
they're not just refugees from Syria magical thyme Nov 2015 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Nov 2015 #4
A big impact on the Climate Change conference coming up in Paris flamingdem Nov 2015 #5
Actually it may get a lot more news coverage 4139 Nov 2015 #41
i'd be pretty stunned if France didn't declare all out war in Syria/Iraq against ISIS in the next Takket Nov 2015 #6
I'm thinking along the same lines. MH1 Nov 2015 #21
I was wrong. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #34
Good point regarding NATO davidpdx Nov 2015 #53
He is a Socialist. former9thward Nov 2015 #61
Thanks, I did look it up after the post davidpdx Nov 2015 #62
Unless I am mistaken drray23 Nov 2015 #44
France started bombing Syria in September. Today was direct magical thyme Nov 2015 #51
This is gonna be big Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #7
That's how I see it as well. DCBob Nov 2015 #38
It will be politically impossible to allow Muslim refugees into the US now. FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #8
Hopefully constructive ones jberryhill Nov 2015 #9
This is the sane answer. Not the likely one. panader0 Nov 2015 #12
Rich people can't get richer fast via constructive ways. nt valerief Nov 2015 #16
There is always hope jberryhill Nov 2015 #17
+1 nt Tree-Hugger Nov 2015 #59
There probably won't be a lot of chit-chat about corn and hogs at the debate tomorrow night. bluedigger Nov 2015 #10
No doubt about that. nt 2naSalit Nov 2015 #20
Europe will be less welcoming to refugees. Arguments over border policy will ensue. Throd Nov 2015 #14
Extremely bad for Merkel. I suspect open immigration in Europe is going to become even Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #15
Agree with you on Merkel... Imajika Nov 2015 #24
I'm thinking the same. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #58
More military, of course. nt 2naSalit Nov 2015 #19
A very quick end to the refugees being allowed into Europe... Imajika Nov 2015 #22
The right will rise in Europe LittleBlue Nov 2015 #23
Moi aussi uppityperson Nov 2015 #25
From nothing to le reconquista AngryAmish Nov 2015 #26
I think we may be seeing the beginning, refugee camp burning Kilgore Nov 2015 #27
Le Pen has a shot. MADem Nov 2015 #28
The election of Marine Le Pen as French president in 2017. roamer65 Nov 2015 #29
Depending on what Hollande does, and how successful it is perceived. MH1 Nov 2015 #35
Guerre et mort. El Supremo Nov 2015 #30
The French President said they would wage war. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #31
This is the kind of thing that affects elections BootinUp Nov 2015 #33
Celebrations for the terrorists, the gunmakers, the MIC, and flag manufacturers. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Nov 2015 #37
Whoever the ISIS strategist is, he feels like an asymmetric-warfare genius. GliderGuider Nov 2015 #48
You should be nervous Renew Deal Nov 2015 #39
Global Thermonuclear War mountain grammy Nov 2015 #40
The allies war on Assad will end 4139 Nov 2015 #42
next month there are elections in france drray23 Nov 2015 #43
War boners. Iggo Nov 2015 #45
They will be the first European country Codeine Nov 2015 #47
I think Assad can rule out asylum in France. GreatCaesarsGhost Nov 2015 #49
Muslims who are in France and Europe Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #52
France... MrWendel Nov 2015 #54
Well I wouldn't want to be an Arab in Paris or its suburbs in the morning... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #56
I suspect there will be a "war" declaration. herding cats Nov 2015 #57
Russia benefits the most Yupster Nov 2015 #60
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