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jwirr

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89. What bushie and chaney did was fail to understand the ME.

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:00 AM

Nov 2015

Given the rival religions in the area and the idea of jihad he did not realize that the only thing keeping them from total chaos was the strong leaders that kept them controlled.

That sounds terrible because those strong leaders used methods that we strongly object to - gassing the Kurds with gas we supplied to them, beheadings, etc. Since we overthrew those strong leaders we have not been able to find anyone to replace them and it is getting worse every day.

Now we are trying to take out the Syrian leader and we have helped to push all the refugees into Europe and get Russia involved as well.

So our influence has gone far beyond Iraq. We have involved all of the ME, most of Europe and now Russia in a war based on a lie. Where is it going to end?

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FUCK YOU GEORGE W. BUSH AND ALL THE OTHER FUCKING HENCHMEN BEFORE YOU [View all] Lochloosa Nov 2015 OP

and he has never been held accountable Skittles Nov 2015 #1

And Tony Blair too. milestogo Nov 2015 #2

+1 LittleBlue Nov 2015 #39

What does this have to do with anything current? TeddyR Nov 2015 #3

LOL...WTF are you doing here. Now I really have nothing else to say. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #5

is not that obvious ? drray23 Nov 2015 #9

yes. now we have a metastazing clusterfuck and LiberalElite Nov 2015 #16

And who knows how to stop it. I heard them talking about jwirr Nov 2015 #79

we should hand bush and Cheney over to Daesh as part of a larger comprehensive KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #101

That is kind of what I was saying tongue in cheek. jwirr Nov 2015 #123

While it's certainly not a practical proposition, Plucketeer Nov 2015 #133

True. But I still mostly blame Bushco. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #150

You said it, drray23. I've been seething since I heard the news. spiderpig Nov 2015 #153

I have noticed laundry_queen Nov 2015 #13

1800 to present.... Lochloosa Nov 2015 #32

Even furthor Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #69

in the science fiction novel _On the Beach_, the final nuclear war that tblue37 Nov 2015 #137

If he really doesn't get the current connection, sarge43 Nov 2015 #118

LOL. True. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #131

This Has Everything to do with the Attacks in Paris McKim Nov 2015 #51

Anyone on this site who says they can't see the correlation is either very young and uneducated herding cats Nov 2015 #86

The greedy war profiteers are still counting their money.... currently punguin54 Nov 2015 #138

Direct line from our Iraq invasion/slaugher to ISIS Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #157

That motherfucker is responsible for Paris too. His disasterous war led to this. onecaliberal Nov 2015 #4

My thoughts exactly ^ world wide wally Nov 2015 #35

Yup. Create a power vacuum and this is what TBF Nov 2015 #78

as bad as W was, I think Buchanan was arguably worse. But that is pedantry on my part, i KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #106

Bush's policies certainly did not help. But remember that Islamic terrorist attacks were totodeinhere Nov 2015 #149

Good point. 840high Nov 2015 #163

The Supreme Court Justices that installed George W. Bush have a lot of blood on their hands... AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #6

i agree. remember when Bugliosi DesertFlower Nov 2015 #8

Ahem . . Hillary, Kerry and Biden voted for Operation KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #104

Absolutely Munificence Nov 2015 #110

Some on DU will ignore. 840high Nov 2015 #164

FUCK YOU WAR PARTY! Octafish Nov 2015 #7

Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan--a whole Black Rosary of interventions MisterP Nov 2015 #27

Don't forget Ukraine Punx Nov 2015 #36

but not Paris MisterP Nov 2015 #46

Good description - Black Rosary of Interventions. jwirr Nov 2015 #80

cheney is probably sitting in front of his teevee having orgasm after orgasm spanone Nov 2015 #10

How about directing some of that anger at the murderers geek tragedy Nov 2015 #11

That was directed at murderers Fumesucker Nov 2015 #12

They killed 3000 Americans in NYC before the Iraq war geek tragedy Nov 2015 #17

Ah, you have information on who committed the Paris attack.. Fumesucker Nov 2015 #21

Radical Sunni Islamists. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #24

"They" milestogo Nov 2015 #22

Not interested in debating Trutherism nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #25

Not interested in answering a simple question. milestogo Nov 2015 #31

There is proof in France. 840high Nov 2015 #165

No they did not. A group of people killed those 3000 people. jwirr Nov 2015 #81

Well, we killed 500,000 Iraqi children before 'they' KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #105

This is a false statement often repeated by USians, Ghost Dog Nov 2015 #142

USians? Lol, you know what you can do with your ghoulish quibbling over statistics. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #143

Not worth a reply, except to agree Ghost Dog Nov 2015 #145

Gee, in my travels to Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua, geek tragedy Nov 2015 #147

That should be "somos de Los Estados Unidos". Ghost Dog Nov 2015 #151

History didn't start Doitnow Nov 2015 #155

Have you noticed that no Roman Catholic terrorists geek tragedy Nov 2015 #156

Who's they? arikara Nov 2015 #159

I did. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #14

So no anger towards the barbarians who committed the Paris attacks? geek tragedy Nov 2015 #19

Wow...really...that is the best you can do... Lochloosa Nov 2015 #20

You know radical Islamists were doing this before the Iraq war, right? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #23

I guess you stopped at GWB in my original post. Buy, hey...everyone has blinders. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #26

You didn't mention the perpetrators of this atrocity in your post nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #30

There are plenty of post tonight you can join in condemning the perpetrators..go there Lochloosa Nov 2015 #34

This will be the end of our discussion tonight. I might take it up at a later date. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #29

Why were they doing it? Let's try door number 1 � the Palestinians. brush Nov 2015 #42

Books have been written on the subject geek tragedy Nov 2015 #45

No they are caused by groups of people in charge of a military giant. Rex Nov 2015 #50

No need to take a tone with me. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #57

Tone? Just stating the facts. Rex Nov 2015 #60

The MO is AQ. We will have to see. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #63

Maybe it was a Russians. Rex Nov 2015 #67

Are you seriously suggesting this was a Russian Operation???? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #107

Does it look like I am seriously blaming the Russians? Rex Nov 2015 #125

Yeah, ISIS is scary, like Alqueda on steriods brush Nov 2015 #71

It is. A fucked up death cult. Rex Nov 2015 #73

So...I guess you are retracting your earlier post then.. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #64

There was a tedious balance in the world that Bush and his henchmen managed RKP5637 Nov 2015 #61

Henchmen killing smaller henchmen and causing world chaos. Rex Nov 2015 #65

I agree with you. Marr Nov 2015 #126

Correct. You pass go. You collect $200. passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #47

Yes. It happened on his watch. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #62

The Bush Administration was warned by numerous sources and they ignored the warnings. -none Nov 2015 #90

Is it your contention that bushco had no advance warning of attacks about to occur? nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #139

I'm sure they knew some attacks were about to happen. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #140

Yea, his reaction was indeed too weird to have faked it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #146

I bet most everyone here is angry at the people who literally did this today. herding cats Nov 2015 #91

Very angry treestar Nov 2015 #181

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #83

We were the murderers of tens of thousands of Iraqis Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #158

He fucked up major league didn't he? jimlup Nov 2015 #15

This is Pandora's Box! LakeVermilion Nov 2015 #18

What bushie and chaney did was fail to understand the ME. jwirr Nov 2015 #89

they had no use for the advice of the Middle East historians Skittles Nov 2015 #97

Had I not already fallen away from Buddhism, this would be the KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #109

And in those countries there might also be evil leaders but jwirr Nov 2015 #121

Exactly. jwirr Nov 2015 #120

Cheney at least had quite a sophisticated understanding of the situation in Iraq Fumesucker Nov 2015 #99

Amen elmac Nov 2015 #28

Yep, WTG asshat. U sure screwed the world up. Dumfukkery at it's finest. N/T slumcamper Nov 2015 #33

evil fucking devil cheney is responsible restorefreedom Nov 2015 #37

Yep. nt thereismore Nov 2015 #38

BIG kick for that. hifiguy Nov 2015 #40

It all leads back to those fucks flamingdem Nov 2015 #41

They can pretend it was all 9/11, but it was the 2000 election. Rex Nov 2015 #49

Yes indeed, they left as war criminals flamingdem Nov 2015 #55

I think it goes back to the sons and Silverado S&L. Rex Nov 2015 #56

Neil fucking Bush is never mentioned brush Nov 2015 #75

Yes. I didn't know there was a sister for decades! Rex Nov 2015 #76

Because you didn't know there was a Bush sister it meant virgogal Nov 2015 #87

Hit the ground running. Rex Nov 2015 #95

The 4th son of George H.W. Bush is Marvin Bush.....The sister is Barbara Bush Koch red dog 1 Nov 2015 #144

Why are Bush fingerprints always all over disasters that happen to this country? brush Nov 2015 #177

I'll join in the FUCK YOU to that fucking idiot hibbing Nov 2015 #43

Arab countries are a "cesspool"; wow, did I stumble to FreeRepublic? nt MadDAsHell Nov 2015 #52

uh... hibbing Nov 2015 #59

I have to agree with you there. The Arab countries have contributed greatly to this world. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #66

I blame them for stealing the election in 2000 and turning the world into a shithole for so many. Rex Nov 2015 #44

a fucking men onecent Nov 2015 #48

Reagan & Bush ... Fathers of Al Qaeda & ISIS napkinz Nov 2015 #53

Jeb? says, 'stuff happens man.' Rubio says, 'I have better things to do than answer questions.' Rex Nov 2015 #54

I never want to hear these words again: "My Brother Kept Us Safe." napkinz Nov 2015 #58

Jeb? should take this moment to drop out. Rex Nov 2015 #68

... napkinz Nov 2015 #74

I appreciate and respect the larger purpose of this meme, but the KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #124

I seem to recall somebody else supporting war Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #70

Pardon my French...go away Lochloosa Nov 2015 #82

Why? She's as complicit as Bush for supporting the IWR resolution. Rogue Democrat Nov 2015 #92

Why Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #119

Easy answer. 840high Nov 2015 #166

k/r Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #72

When Will They Ever Learn gordyfl Nov 2015 #77

And frack you to those so-called Democrats that bowed down to the Republicons in 2002. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #84

Daschle and Gebhardt - the Quislings of our time - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #122

They don't care. 840high Nov 2015 #169

I agree. Rogue Democrat Nov 2015 #85

+1000 colsohlibgal Nov 2015 #88

This place exists The Wizard Nov 2015 #93

If Saddam had remained in power, moondust Nov 2015 #94

should be to all of the republicans that pushed it rockfordfile Nov 2015 #96

I have something else to say malaise Nov 2015 #98

"Until the war criminals are tried and locked up" ... napkinz Nov 2015 #100

Thank you Lochloosa Nov 2015 #116

Send them all to GitMo!!! KansDem Nov 2015 #102

There is plenty of blame to go around. TM99 Nov 2015 #103

I dare say ejbr Nov 2015 #111

Of course it does. TM99 Nov 2015 #112

There are a lot of fools ejbr Nov 2015 #114

Isn't that the damned truth! n/t TM99 Nov 2015 #115

Why stop there? jack_krass Nov 2015 #128

Yes indeed. TM99 Nov 2015 #129

Not to excuse Bush, Cheny, and company jack_krass Nov 2015 #135

What pisses me off the most is that TM99 Nov 2015 #136

which leads me to believe they did NOT "fall" for the lies Skittles Nov 2015 #168

Of course they were complicit. TM99 Nov 2015 #176

I agree Skittles Nov 2015 #167

Amen! TM99 Nov 2015 #175

Inside Job billhicks76 Nov 2015 #108

The Cost of War(s) gordyfl Nov 2015 #113

Kicked and recommended! This post should have a bazillion recommendations. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #117

These assholes got Bush re-elected in 2004, so for them, and Rove, Mission accomplished Akamai Nov 2015 #130

may they all rot in the hell they have created for everyone else. niyad Nov 2015 #127

FUCK YOU also to the Henchmen who followed radhika Nov 2015 #132

I hope there is a hell just for them AikidoSoul Nov 2015 #134

It's not like Obama ended this shit either. nt Logical Nov 2015 #141

Lochlossa, I'm with you. Fuck you W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Greenspans and Hastert. TRoN33 Nov 2015 #148

Obama was out with a statement within minutes. Shrub? spiderpig Nov 2015 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #152

He doesn't care in the slightest what you (or I or any of us) think deutsey Nov 2015 #160

Indeed 47of74 Nov 2015 #161

What about 'and the horse he rode in on.' I haven't seen that little bit of poetic nonsense Joe Chi Minh Nov 2015 #162

Times like these, I appreciate "Rusty wire brush". JEB Nov 2015 #180

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #170

Bye Bye. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #171

That was a slam dunk - first time I remember seeing this! dorkzilla Nov 2015 #172

You must have been #2. lol Lochloosa Nov 2015 #173

Nope! But I can see why you�d think that! dorkzilla Nov 2015 #174

"Ain't nothin' for the head like the good old Grateful Dead" red dog 1 Nov 2015 #178

That rec list says it all. Rex Nov 2015 #179