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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
6. Thanks for the Right wing spew
Sun May 27, 2012, 05:01 PM
May 2012

I went to the source of this graphic
http://www.politicalmathblog.com and read there.

I also notice that the nasty right-wing site, the American Enterprise Institute is saying the same thing.
http://blog.american.com/2012/05/actually-the-obama-spending-binge-really-did-happen/


Then I read this very informative comment by a poster named ptpatil, who can answer this horseshit much better than I.



Reddit response to your horseshit infographic:
Section by section:
Rule 1:
Neglects to mention TARP and the bailouts passed under Bush
No president has ever renegotiated his inaugural-year budget.
Neglects the “who proposed FY 2009 spending”, which was of course Bush.
Bush low-balling the budget doesn’t make him fiscally conservative, just a wishful thinker who knew he wouldn’t have to deal with the outcome
“Obama gets credits for the jobs from FY 2009″ has less to do with the budget and more to do with the stimulus, duhh.
Rule 2:
$20 BILLION THE HORROR the author is literally complaining about 0,06% increase due to this totally dirty secret numbers trick. This got a whole rule to itself, lol.
Rule 3:
All one big extension of the whining about 0,06%
Uses CBO projections from early 2009, when both left, right, and center economists were all underestimating the depth of the recession, and hence government spending (which would rise substantially in response to greater unemployment, even if Obama changed nothing).
Rule 4:
Author is flipping back and forth now between CBO baselines, actual budgets, and proposed budgets, always favoring whichever is highest for Obama
Is he still using the CBO’s projections from 2009? Not clear
Rule 5:
Looks bad for whom? The graph shows spending shrinking under Obama. Maybe he thinks spending rising over time as the economy and population grows is a bad thing? I have no idea what point he was going for.
Bottom line: Author does some half-assed nitpicking, commits a shitload of cherrypicking himself, and never approaches the fundamental claim once, that spending increases under Obama have been less than any Prez since Ike. All he’d have to do to disprove it is pick 1 consistent measurement, chart it, and point out a President under whom spending growth was slower. That’s it, that’s all he had to do was provide 1 counterexample, and he didn’t, instead trying to poke holes to reduce general confidence.
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1786&cpage=1#comments

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So you are saying Obama is a big fat liar and I should vote for Rmoney? Trajan May 2012 #1
Amen. Skidmore May 2012 #3
At least Obama economics is close to what is the truth..... MindMover May 2012 #5
not saying that at all, Romney is a horrid, horrid candidate, just posting a contrarian piece that stockholmer May 2012 #8
Might help to provide your own commentary to it, then Scootaloo May 2012 #11
will do stockholmer May 2012 #14
The rest of the graph Daily Crapper LEFT OUT... Grassy Knoll May 2012 #36
Despite Being Warned, Right-Wing Media Buy Into The "BS" Claims About Obama's Spending Record SunsetDreams May 2012 #45
That would be the graph being rebutted. Igel May 2012 #46
Why on earth are you citing The Daily Caller The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #2
Daily Caller was just reposting an Associated Press-written article, which was sent to be by someone stockholmer May 2012 #12
So, what are your rebuttals to this posted right-wing smear? blue neen May 2012 #13
here is the first thing I sent them stockholmer May 2012 #16
That was not exactly a glowing endorsement of President Obama. blue neen May 2012 #24
Obama doesn't deserve a glowing endorsement Hawkowl May 2012 #26
This thread doesn't deserve the recommendation you've given it. blue neen May 2012 #27
So your right wing buddy sent you that story Son of Gob May 2012 #15
No, not just 'reposting AP' - you posted the RW graphic they had a link to muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #21
Additionally, mediamatters.org has a lot to say about AP's "reporting" emulatorloo May 2012 #43
As you noticed treestar May 2012 #50
"The Daily Caller CJCRANE May 2012 #4
Thanks for the Right wing spew OKNancy May 2012 #6
What's next? A post about Weapons of Mass Destruction? blue neen May 2012 #7
Hopefully you'll be joining your buddy Better Believe It soon. Son of Gob May 2012 #9
Congratulations, Sir, On Pimping Far Right Anti-Obama Swill The Magistrate May 2012 #10
How do you get 12% increase? kentuck May 2012 #17
What they were looking at was increase over CBO projections bhikkhu May 2012 #30
This lie is WAY too complex to work in their favor. 6000eliot May 2012 #18
lol, I tend to agree, most the US right-wing voters are bright but not shining stockholmer May 2012 #19
The increase in government spending has little to do with the debt or the deficit... kentuck May 2012 #20
"to stimulate debate and counter rebuttals". Sure... SidDithers May 2012 #22
vaht? vas you saying shumthing.. about this trollish OP.. to meee? dionysus May 2012 #39
I'm glad you ran this creeksneakers2 May 2012 #23
AP writers are all right wing hacks and they all twist and INdemo May 2012 #25
After reading that, I'd still like to see what the actual spending increases are bhikkhu May 2012 #28
It appears that AP is dead wrong on this one Motown_Johnny May 2012 #29
Am I on the wrong web site? Doctor_J May 2012 #31
Unrec. More RW BS. n/t FSogol May 2012 #32
no, no, this is just a debate and counter debate...blah...blah..blah..bullshit! Demonaut May 2012 #34
Even the links to so-called main stream news outlets don't lend this shit any credence Blaukraut May 2012 #33
You posted this to suppress Democrats from voting. Swede May 2012 #35
someone has to pick up the slack for BBI, shameless as it is... dionysus May 2012 #38
using Tucker Carlson's site to campaign against dems should get you tombstoned. dionysus May 2012 #37
Take your phony disclamer and right-wing sources and stick them both. Ikonoklast May 2012 #40
Now I see GW Bush was the greatest president ever. JohnnyRingo May 2012 #41
Wingnut graphic + Fucker Carlson's propaganda site. emulatorloo May 2012 #42
Heh. Robb May 2012 #44
Rec'd in response to a Meta complaint. n/t Catherina May 2012 #47
Let me understand this. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #49
are you surprised? dionysus May 2012 #51
"Avoid asking who passed the stimulus?" Except that Nutting Bolo Boffin May 2012 #48
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