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70. Convert to Sunni Islam.

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OK pacifists...what would you do about ISIS? [View all] trumad Nov 2015 OP

Good question. Gman Nov 2015 #1

I'd prefer to know what the floriduck Nov 2015 #104

I'd send them one of our old nukes. Archae Nov 2015 #2

This is a really good question... al bupp Nov 2015 #3

Hug it out? Rex Nov 2015 #4

good question oldandhappy Nov 2015 #5

"I do not know what ISIS wants other than to control their world. " melman Nov 2015 #16

From my reading, they seem to be an apocalypitic cult Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #21

Yep. hifiguy Nov 2015 #115

The whole world, not their corner of it Nevernose Nov 2015 #20

Completely agree - cilla4progress Nov 2015 #62

Im not a pacifist although I generally favor resolving disputes through non-violent means. I would KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #6

Why would that help? Bad Thoughts Nov 2015 #11

they committed war crimes and crimes against humanity. They must face KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #22

Prosecute them, yes, but don't delude yourself that IS cares about human rights Bad Thoughts Nov 2015 #33

Is this a parody account? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #14

I dont know. are you a parody of KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #39

Lol, I have my answer nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #40

So, work with ISIS and hand them them our former leaders Bonx Nov 2015 #17

They literally do not believe in diplomacy Nevernose Nov 2015 #25

This can't be real oberliner Nov 2015 #97

Would you include Hillery in that? oneshooter Nov 2015 #131

So the Daesh executes them, and they will be safisfied? FrodosPet Nov 2015 #148

What is the root cause of ISIS? I would go back in time and fix that fucker of a problem. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #7

Abraham. And colonialism. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #41

blaming Judaism and Islam for ISIS? Mosby Nov 2015 #71

And Christianity. But mostly colonialism. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #87

Various tribes and religulous factions in the ME were butchering each other hifiguy Nov 2015 #120

It was actually pretty stable under the Ottomans, who knew something about the people geek tragedy Nov 2015 #122

Indeed. hifiguy Nov 2015 #125

Post-colonial governments managed to combine the worst elements of tribalism geek tragedy Nov 2015 #126

Yep, and the people there added their own hifiguy Nov 2015 #129

Some jackass Tree-Hugger Nov 2015 #51

Do you have a Plan B? EL34x4 Nov 2015 #90

Understanding how they came to be helps prevent more followers from joining. femmedem Nov 2015 #145

Money is the root cause of ISIS. Initech Nov 2015 #108

The money trails always, inevitably lead back hifiguy Nov 2015 #123

I so agree with this. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #132

"House of Bush, House of Saud" hifiguy Nov 2015 #133

Saudi Arabia is pretty much the worst country in the world no question. Initech Nov 2015 #135

Forced to choose between exile to North Korea or KSA hifiguy Nov 2015 #143

What was the root cause of Jim Jones? Or the root cause of any band of apocalyptic crazies? pnwmom Nov 2015 #140

Buy them something nice. Octafish Nov 2015 #8

Air drop smart phones. They'll spend years trying to get them to work. randome Nov 2015 #98

Or they'll just get addicted to Candy Crush and Angry Birds. Initech Nov 2015 #110

They have made a point of destroying what few "nice things" they could in Syria and Iraq. Chan790 Nov 2015 #100

Translation: Now that we war hawks fucked it up yet again, what are you "pacifists" going to do to Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #9

exactly niyad Nov 2015 #13

So...time travel? WestCoastLib Nov 2015 #26

This, plus jamzrockz Nov 2015 #82

I'm not a pacifist, but my first step would be communication femmedem Nov 2015 #10

Seriously not dissing pacifists in this thread. trumad Nov 2015 #15

Not a pacifist, but sadly I don't see a good solution. TDale313 Nov 2015 #42

the problem is that force doesn't make them stop, either. magical thyme Nov 2015 #91

force hasn't proved to work either... lame54 Nov 2015 #117

Are you familiar with Daesh and what they want? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #18

Daesh isn't interested in talking. They only understand killing. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2015 #23

But how do so many people reach that point? Be willing to die for that point? femmedem Nov 2015 #47

They're an apocalyptic Islamist (NOT Muslim, there is a difference) death cult. Chan790 Nov 2015 #107

At this point, it's academic. The question is how to make the attacks stop... backscatter712 Nov 2015 #137

Like you'd listen anyway gratuitous Nov 2015 #12

Congratulations, you've proved war isn't always a good idea. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #50

So how much more? gratuitous Nov 2015 #61

Not exactly a pacifist, but I prefer an intelligence-based response. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #19

I have wondered why the convoys were not bombed or droned or whatever. femmocrat Nov 2015 #85

I guess I'm the board's temporary Republican, because I want an overwhelmingly violent response. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #24

ISIS is closer to a Mafia type organization than a Nation State... JCMach1 Nov 2015 #30

There's nothing Republican about wanting theocratic, medieval barbarians geek tragedy Nov 2015 #32

Being a Democrat doesn't mean sitting still while people kill all around you. FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #35

if pacifists had been in charge all along, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #27

Those who solely focus on Cheney etc ALWAYS forget the Saudis KittyWampus Nov 2015 #31

oh for sure, their hands are not clean either restorefreedom Nov 2015 #37

If pacifists had been in charge all along, as a European Jew, I wouldn't exist either. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #43

if we are going to go that far back, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #49

Indeed. It never stops disappointing me how often pacifists forget the lesson of Neville Chamberlain Chan790 Nov 2015 #111

I don't think the issue here is self-preservation. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #134

irrespective of the other good answers to your post, what do you do NOW? MH1 Nov 2015 #64

first, i am not a complete pacifist restorefreedom Nov 2015 #72

Thank you for your response. MH1 Nov 2015 #94

sometimes i fear the attempts at nonviolence restorefreedom Nov 2015 #112

we'd also be speaking German redstateblues Nov 2015 #102

i already addressed that restorefreedom Nov 2015 #118

They'll bake cookies and look for unicorns. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #28

I am not a dogmatic pacifist. But heavy Infiltration would be a start. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #29

infiltrate with who? how do you find willing infiltrators? MH1 Nov 2015 #65

Infiltrators would have to take part in Daesh atrocities to succeed as infiltrators. emulatorloo Nov 2015 #93

There are people even now in IS territory in communication Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #95

What we did to Jihad John was almost perfect. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #34

I'm antiwar. Not a pacifist. But there are things that could be done though that pacifists would think Nov 2015 #36

Excellent post.Your username suits you well. n/t femmedem Nov 2015 #53

That's all good, BUT none of that would deter Daesh from pursuing its stated goal of a caliphate. Metric System Nov 2015 #69

The list is things pacifists might agree with as asked for by the OP. Pacifism won't stop ISIS. think Nov 2015 #78

That's like asking 'what would you do to clean up the mess we've created?' Jeroen Nov 2015 #38

Congrtatz on being right. WestCoastLib Nov 2015 #44

Support a negotiated ceasefire and settlement in Syria. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #45

The one thing I detest are sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #46

You act as if this is something new... SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #48

Cut off their supply of money, arms, and ammunition. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #52

Cut our military budget in half, take care of our own people, jobs, families, infrastructure. Crystalite Nov 2015 #54

Choke their money supply, ramp up Intel. morningfog Nov 2015 #55

+++++++ n/t librechik Nov 2015 #57

^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^ nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #89

So... NOW it's up to pacifists to fix the clusterfuck that war started... Bigmack Nov 2015 #56

I would handle them like the international KKK, and incentivize governments to help within Hoyt Nov 2015 #58

kill them. bowens43 Nov 2015 #59

Seriously? You don't think the entire US military has been trying for years to do just that? nt Bigmack Nov 2015 #60

That's precisely what I think. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #76

You said.... Bigmack Nov 2015 #101

Exterminate them lake loon Nov 2015 #63

They're already dead. ucrdem Nov 2015 #81

As I said elsewhere in this thread... Bigmack Nov 2015 #106

Well, we could round up the usual suspects, ucrdem Nov 2015 #66

For a non-violent solution both sides must want that solution. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #67

Princeton Professor Haykel cilla4progress Nov 2015 #68

Convert to Sunni Islam. Throd Nov 2015 #70

Not sure I'm a pacifist but for sake of discussion let's say I am; Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2015 #73

I've always considered myself a pacifist, but I'm having second thoughts. Vinca Nov 2015 #74

Easy: bankrupt the shit out of them. Initech Nov 2015 #75

Unilatel disarmament jeepers Nov 2015 #77

After all that they still want you dead. Throd Nov 2015 #80

China-Russia-North Korea all like your idea of the US unilateral disarmament. EX500rider Nov 2015 #146

Take the military budget and create a gazillion solar/wind energy jobs at home. valerief Nov 2015 #79

Okay warmonger...what would you do about ISIS? Rex Nov 2015 #83

I'm playing devils advocate but what if we worked AROUND them? nolabear Nov 2015 #84

I am a pacifist. Been beaten up many times and never fought back. But that being said. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #86

The Paper Tiger roars Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #88

Not a pacifist laundry_queen Nov 2015 #92

Invest in ending world dependence on Middle Eastern oil ThoughtCriminal Nov 2015 #96

Starve the beast. Find the funding sources and CUT IT OFF! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #99

I've put you on ignore in the past for many reasons. closeupready Nov 2015 #103

The First Step - Eliminate Neocons From The World Stage - HRC Must Withdraw As A Candidate cantbeserious Nov 2015 #105

neocons out, yes step one, most important. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #113

Given that the endless war has only accentuated the problem, guillaumeb Nov 2015 #109

stop using groups like that as weapons against other countries yurbud Nov 2015 #114

Yes, that would do wonders. Chan790 Nov 2015 #124

not a pacifist w0nderer Nov 2015 #116

Drop all support for murderous regimes like Israel and Saudi Arabia mwrguy Nov 2015 #119

First, I would recommend that we don't invade Iraq. Oh yeah, too fucking late. Some shitty ass GoneFishin Nov 2015 #121

Let's flip that matt819 Nov 2015 #127

Keep giving them our lunch money until they weary of beating us up for it Generic Brad Nov 2015 #128

Beating the war dream Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #130

I would start with peace and justice. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #136

Well, violence isn't working TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #138

I would look at what the U.S. did in response to 9-11, and then do the exact oppsosite. tjwash Nov 2015 #139

How many more American soldiers do we sacrifice before we win? B Calm Nov 2015 #141

Simple, cut military spending by about three-quarters and bring everyone home. L. Coyote Nov 2015 #142

They just need to work this out of their system... ileus Nov 2015 #144

try to stop our allies from supporting them. nt killbotfactory Nov 2015 #147

Bend over, stick their head between their legs and kiss their ass goodbye. miyazaki Nov 2015 #149

I'm not a pacifist, but from what I've read and learned about it deutsey Nov 2015 #150

1. Stop fucking with regime change in Syria. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #151

Let them the fuck alone. 99Forever Nov 2015 #152

There has never been a more appropriate moment to trot out the verbal gem: Quantess Nov 2015 #153