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Whiskeytide

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66. Standing down won't work...

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:34 PM

Nov 2015

The refugees essentially didn't fight back, and yet they have been slaughtered, raped and tortured anyway.

We have to pull our economic interests from the Middle East. Most of the conflict results from our efforts to prop up regimes and protect our economic interests.

And we have to defund them. The problem with that is that we are doing a lot of business with the people who fund them. Until we take these steps, the cycle will never end.

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Do you want vengeance or peace? Because you cannot have both [View all] nadine_mn Nov 2015 OP

My heart is torn Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1

1000% correct. When Democrats "ignore" rightwing bully bullshit it encourages them. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #32

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Are you implying that the OP suggested this? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #5

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People with that kind of mindset won't stop with just that. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #6

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They have in the past. Igel Nov 2015 #18

Apparently you can live as a Jew in a Caliphate as long as you pay a big tax snooper2 Nov 2015 #30

Assimilate. Resistance is futile. redwitch Nov 2015 #17

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The world isn't black or white. Vengeance or Peace. That's for bumper stickers FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #7

I am sorry you see it as so black and white nadine_mn Nov 2015 #31

The dichotomy is not black and white Fairgo Nov 2015 #71

+1 nt GliderGuider Nov 2015 #72

+1, Fortune cookie wisdom isn't productive. Marr Nov 2015 #73

usually Skittles Nov 2015 #74

I wonder if Conservatives will be putting French Fries back on the menu? marble falls Nov 2015 #10

Thank you for a sane reply to this mess. tecelote Nov 2015 #11

I share in your view. 99Forever Nov 2015 #12

I simply want them found and stopped. Mister Ed Nov 2015 #13

We can want peace all we wish but if ISIS insists on vengeance we are foolish children hoping CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #14

That isn't a convincing argument Depaysement Nov 2015 #15

The reality of the world is that some folks just need killing... Marengo Nov 2015 #16

Lets just dispense with such niceties as due process, shall we? /sarcasm/ - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #21

Is this a parody account? geek tragedy Nov 2015 #41

Are you a parody of Sophocles? I take it KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #43

Yes, as does anyone who has ever taken a history class and who is geek tragedy Nov 2015 #44

and what about those 500,000 Iraqi children during the 90s? Did they also KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #45

No, of course not. You should take a remedial course in logic geek tragedy Nov 2015 #47

you might wish to take a remedial course in the KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #51

I have a law degree, and it is patently obvious you have no idea what due process geek tragedy Nov 2015 #53

sure you do - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #56

Your welcome to serve arrest warrants to the Daesh soldiers in their fighting postions... Marengo Nov 2015 #77

please show me where the U.s. Congress has declared war. Until then you should probly KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #79

Only in cloud cuckoo land is it not a battlefield... Marengo Nov 2015 #86

For those of you say "They have to be stopped"... DAngelo136 Nov 2015 #19

excellent questions. to which I would add only: if you KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #22

Since ISIS' goal is a caliphate across Europe, I doubt that leaving them alone will work. randome Nov 2015 #24

+1000 Agreed smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #26

A contrarian alternative: put Bush, Cheney and the entire Bush Junta on trial for war crimes and cri KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #27

You know I would have no problem with that at all. randome Nov 2015 #34

I'll try to answer as best I can. Mister Ed Nov 2015 #64

You theory that the bully only bullies because his victims fight back is sort of twisted. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #20

France bombed Syria first, if we are looking for first causes. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #23

And yet ISIS claims Paris was targeted because it is "a capital of prostitution and obscenity". randome Nov 2015 #25

This scum will always find a reason. They want to conquer Europe. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #28

So they picked vengence. But 'first causes' are basically a matter of when you start the timeline. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #67

Well, the military historian in me would say they (the irregulars in the assault) engaged in KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #68

I want peace, but I also want the killing and retaliatory killing to end davidpdx Nov 2015 #29

I wonder what Islam will rename France obliviously Nov 2015 #33

ISIS wants Spain, which was once part of Islam. France is Hortensis Nov 2015 #46

I don't know, that is an awful lot to mow! obliviously Nov 2015 #60

ISIS must be planning to swing the sword of Islam round the clock. Hortensis Nov 2015 #65

I don't know, i'm torn pinebox Nov 2015 #35

Um, the US didn't join WW2 until Pear Harbor in 1942 so it actually took a few years for the world Metric System Nov 2015 #57

I'm well aware however this has been going on for a "few years" now pinebox Nov 2015 #59

Unfortunately doing nothing will not stop ISIS Marrah_G Nov 2015 #36

But declaring war is exactly the result they want nadine_mn Nov 2015 #82

There has to be war to stop them Marrah_G Nov 2015 #87

I want neither vengeance or peace WestCoastLib Nov 2015 #37

That is the problem, I want peace but ISIS wants revenge. Rex Nov 2015 #38

It's clear that if we do nothing, we won't have peace LittleBlue Nov 2015 #39

So, we just bow down before Daesh and proclaim our fealty and beg them geek tragedy Nov 2015 #40

Could you point where I said or even suggested that? nadine_mn Nov 2015 #50

You said you opposed armed force against terrorists who want to conquer territory. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #52

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #42

The best vengeance would be peace. Liberal Veteran Nov 2015 #48

I think it's important to say "crime" and not "war." Ron Green Nov 2015 #49

Agree. hay rick Nov 2015 #76

Fuck it. I want vengeance. Peace is impossible with Daesh head-choppers. But do it smart. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #54

You cannot have peace, period. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #55

Sort of like the US did in Iraq, you mean? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #58

Victory. Throd Nov 2015 #61

The question is whether we can have peace at all. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #62

That is the question. Rex Nov 2015 #63

If one side in a conflict refuses all options but violence, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #69

Agree, I am not a violent person by nature Rex Nov 2015 #80

Standing down won't work... Whiskeytide Nov 2015 #66

There has never been peace at any time throughout all of human history Kaleva Nov 2015 #70

Peace, always. I don't know how we get there but war isn't it. Avalux Nov 2015 #75

I feel like war has been the go to answer for too long nadine_mn Nov 2015 #81

Peace . . . but how do you get there? Vinca Nov 2015 #78

America is hopelessly dependent on a war economy marions ghost Nov 2015 #83

you are so right and it just makes me sad that we have generations nadine_mn Nov 2015 #84

War is the backdrop of our lives marions ghost Nov 2015 #85

If you think appeasement will mellow the ISIS hearts, you are mistaken Yorktown Nov 2015 #88